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[00:01:11] Welcome to the Techsploder podcast, I'm Jason Howell and each week I get to sit down with some of my friends in the world of technology

[00:01:19] and get to know them a little bit better and get a better understanding of how technology has impacted their lives.

[00:01:25] Not just like from a resume perspective, but you know like what are the early situations, the early experiences around technology

[00:01:35] that really formulated and really created this passion of tech. We all have those stories right?

[00:01:40] That's what the Techsploder podcast is all about. Today's guest is my friend Doc Rock.

[00:01:46] Most people know him of course as Doc, his real name is Sean Boyd, although it sounds like nobody calls him that anymore.

[00:01:53] He's an incredibly talented media professional. He actually serves as director of strategic partnerships at Ecamm Network.

[00:02:00] They're the creators of the live streaming software platform by the same name.

[00:02:04] Doc got his start as an Apple genius way, way back when but has since donned many hats including contributor to the unofficial

[00:02:13] Apple weblog, content creator on YouTube, which is what many people know him for and even acting,

[00:02:19] which is something he's done since childhood. I had no idea.

[00:02:23] Most recently, Doc released his own line of microphone pop filters called DocPops.

[00:02:28] We talked about that a little bit at the end of the interview as well. So stay tuned for that.

[00:02:33] But Doc Rock is here to talk all about his history and his life in tech. So let's get right into the conversation with Doc.

[00:02:41] You know what we were talking about yesterday on this week intake? The compact iPad.

[00:02:48] How we got the iPad? I have no idea.

[00:02:50] But we got to talk about the iPad and using the trio back in the day.

[00:02:58] And it's so funny because the smartphone is such a thing now that we don't even really call it smartphones.

[00:03:04] Weird marketing people say that, but we just call it our phone.

[00:03:07] That's our phone now.

[00:03:08] For the most part, we're not using the phone side of it. We're using everything else.

[00:03:12] But going back into that Palm Pilot trio days and sitting there impressing all kinds of buttons

[00:03:19] and heavy little stylus and then wearing out that the left inside in a little drawback because you're playing a game on it.

[00:03:27] Sitting in the bus or the trainer at a Starbucks somewhere upon that everybody was always looking over your shoulder.

[00:03:33] What is that thing? Why is it cool?

[00:03:36] It's pretty hours learning how to write graffiti as a useless skill today.

[00:03:40] That's exactly where I was going to go. It seems so cool, but man, you got to learn how to write that graffiti.

[00:03:47] That was a little bit of a training wheel moment.

[00:03:50] Yeah. So believe it or not, Ecamm, where I currently work, their first application was a Palm Pilot app.

[00:03:57] Oh, no kidding.

[00:03:58] Yeah. And remember, I wasn't called Active Sync or Hyper Sync in order to put your podcasts onto your palms so that you can walk around.

[00:04:07] Oh boy. The hugest device ever to listen to a podcast.

[00:04:11] Which is funny because half my podcast now come from a watch.

[00:04:16] Streaming from your why is your watch Internet connected?

[00:04:19] Of course it's Internet connected, but does it have its own mobile?

[00:04:22] Yeah. I have the Ultra with the AT&T connected.

[00:04:26] But it's just super funny to think about how big a podcast device that was.

[00:04:31] But how it started was we were talking about like some of the origins of RSS.

[00:04:36] And I was telling Leo that, hey, my first player was the compact Rio 300 or Diamond Diamond.

[00:04:49] Diamond Rio 300.

[00:04:51] And then later on, Creative Labs bought it. Sound Blaster bought it.

[00:04:55] You know, but it's really funny how most people forget that because after the coin the phrase podcast came out,

[00:05:05] people start connecting it to the iPod.

[00:05:07] To the iPod?

[00:05:08] The iPod is five years later.

[00:05:10] Like it's a whole five years later and nobody really thinks about that.

[00:05:13] And then kind of the first podcast that made like muggles, no podcasting would be Serial, which is 2013-14.

[00:05:22] That was many years later.

[00:05:24] Like 10 years later.

[00:05:25] So only pretty much, you know, as iPod or X OGs who knew how to download this thing to build our little, you know,

[00:05:33] OPML file or XML file so we can get what we need it.

[00:05:36] You had to hand code everything.

[00:05:38] The muggles weren't even, muggles were nowhere near this.

[00:05:41] And now it's crazy because there's millions of podcasts and new ones every day.

[00:05:45] And my job is traveling around the country and speak at podcasting events.

[00:05:48] So it's kind of hilarious to me how far we've come.

[00:05:52] That's amazing.

[00:05:52] That's amazing.

[00:05:53] That brings up so many memories of the pre iPod era.

[00:05:57] And by the way, the show has begun at this point.

[00:05:59] This is the stuff that I love talking about.

[00:06:01] So it's great to have you on, Sean, Doc Rock.

[00:06:05] Do you care if people call you Sean or call you Doc Rock?

[00:06:08] Do you have a preference?

[00:06:10] Only the police and the FBI call me that.

[00:06:13] Call you Sean.

[00:06:14] Yeah.

[00:06:15] I was a paramedic in the army.

[00:06:19] And my old DJ name was DJ Yogi.

[00:06:22] I have no idea where that came from.

[00:06:23] That one, I have no idea where it came from.

[00:06:26] You didn't pick it or you just picked it very randomly.

[00:06:28] You know how the friends normally your friends pick your DJ name.

[00:06:32] But this lady who was a nurse who worked in my ambulance crew, her name was Mrs. Ohia.

[00:06:37] She used to call me Dr. Rock and Roll because I couldn't wait for my shift to be over

[00:06:42] because I was DJing in Waikiki.

[00:06:45] And she was like, oh, here he comes because I was always dragging the next day.

[00:06:50] If I had morning shift, I'm totally dragging from working at the club.

[00:06:55] And then she's like, here he comes, Dr. Rock and Roll.

[00:06:56] He's going to be half asleep.

[00:06:58] I go, yeah, but you know as soon as I pop the siren, I'm wide awake.

[00:07:01] Let's go.

[00:07:01] And so she used to tease me that and everybody used to call me Dr. Rock because of that.

[00:07:06] And then also in the army.

[00:07:07] I mean that is a pretty epic DJ name.

[00:07:10] It's a cool name, right?

[00:07:11] It was way better than the Yogi thing.

[00:07:12] And also in the army, if you're the person that knows every speck and like measures your rank

[00:07:18] when you put it on your uniform, they call you Sergeant Rock because you're like a rock soldier.

[00:07:23] Like all the regulations, everything by the book.

[00:07:26] Yeah, I was in Virgo so naturally I was that dude.

[00:07:29] Me too.

[00:07:29] So it kind of stuck together.

[00:07:32] And that's how the name became super funny now.

[00:07:35] Oh, that's awesome.

[00:07:37] And it's lived with you to this day.

[00:07:38] So you said you said DJing and that just reminded me of the fact that my back in the early 2000s

[00:07:47] I DJed for probably about five, six, seven years somewhere around there.

[00:07:51] And my DJ name came from my earliest email address, which was Raygun01.

[00:07:57] And so I just ended up doing DJ Raygun for what reason?

[00:08:02] I don't know.

[00:08:02] Oh, my God.

[00:08:04] So it came from an email address.

[00:08:05] How nerdy is that?

[00:08:06] When you see early 2000s Raygun, I think of ray tracing.

[00:08:09] Remember when we thought that was like the coolest thing since sliced bread was like ray tracing?

[00:08:14] It took hours and half the time it worked, half the time it did it.

[00:08:19] But when you nailed something, like the first time you rendered the baby Lucal lamp in a little red and white ball

[00:08:25] in electronic arts.

[00:08:28] I forgot what it was called but it was on the Amiga.

[00:08:31] And then you would ray trace and you'd be like, oh my God, look what I made.

[00:08:34] Exactly what you're talking about.

[00:08:35] I remember seeing that and wanting so bad to have an Amiga because of that.

[00:08:43] Because that just, that looks so future.

[00:08:45] That looks so like cutting edge.

[00:08:48] And I want that on my screen, not in a magazine.

[00:08:51] Oh, my God.

[00:08:52] So I used to build video toasters.

[00:08:54] So my first Amiga was a 500, no Amiga 128, then Amiga 500, Amiga 3000.

[00:09:00] But I used to build video toasters.

[00:09:02] That was like kind of my first really nerd job.

[00:09:05] That and soldering, piggyback soldering chips onto the Commodore 64 to make it a 128.

[00:09:11] One pen at a time.

[00:09:13] I knew I liked it at a time.

[00:09:14] I mean like ding, it's so stupid.

[00:09:18] That's awesome.

[00:09:19] So you were doing video toasters.

[00:09:22] What was the company that created the video toaster back then?

[00:09:25] Who are you working for?

[00:09:25] New Tech, the same new tech that you used to use.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:29] That's how old they are.

[00:09:31] Well, that explains a lot about kind of the trajectory of where you are now and what you

[00:09:35] have done over the years.

[00:09:36] That explains so much.

[00:09:37] Isn't that great?

[00:09:38] And know how much headaches you got from messing around with the modern day toaster?

[00:09:44] But yeah, that was those guys all the way back then like a garage startup turned into

[00:09:49] this thing that's used in broadcasts every single day to this very day.

[00:09:53] Yeah.

[00:09:54] Yeah.

[00:09:54] I mean my earliest kind of interaction with that technology was for the well, no, it wasn't

[00:10:00] a twit.

[00:10:00] It was a CNET and it was the little SD kind of like, I don't know, probably like the

[00:10:06] size of a small stack of books.

[00:10:09] Yeah.

[00:10:09] And you know, we were running our podcast studio off of that new tech device or the

[00:10:15] tricaster device.

[00:10:16] And now you see the modern tricasters and I mean they are set like those control

[00:10:21] boards are massive.

[00:10:23] And yeah, there's probably, I mean that's probably running the show because it's so inexpensive

[00:10:29] running the show in a lot more places than the real big kind of grass valley switching

[00:10:33] boards.

[00:10:34] The grass valley switches are, oh my God, that's where I first learned to cut was

[00:10:38] on grass valley switcher and those things were like pretty psycho.

[00:10:43] And my dad, he's a broadcast professional which is how I kind of got into it.

[00:10:48] He was really good friends with John who started Aja video.

[00:10:54] And Aja is technically Asia, but no one says Asia is they say Aja, but it's Asia because

[00:11:00] it's named after his daughter is named after John's daughter.

[00:11:03] But John comes from GBG grass valley group.

[00:11:06] Okay.

[00:11:06] And then he left to start his own thing.

[00:11:09] Isn't that crazy?

[00:11:10] Man, I feel like I'm dead in this whole broadcast world.

[00:11:12] Man, I was just a little kid cutting with actual one inch or eumatic tapes.

[00:11:18] And yeah, so I've been around video for quite a long time, which is why I love when

[00:11:23] podcasting came out.

[00:11:24] I knew what I wanted to do from way back then was bridge the gap between the high

[00:11:31] technical side of what it is to make it more approachable to regular people.

[00:11:36] And it's kind of funny that I'm still doing that to this very day.

[00:11:39] I'm trying to like unmistify podcasting because conversations like this are so much better than

[00:11:47] the crap that comes on TV.

[00:11:49] So I can listen to a two to four person interview on YouTube over anything on TV any day just

[00:11:57] out of pure nosiness of what goes on in people's worlds and compare that to just

[00:12:02] the dumb stuff that's on TV.

[00:12:04] You know, there's a couple of cool shows.

[00:12:06] Most of them are either really, really huge high budget or really, really low budget.

[00:12:11] And they're awesome because they're low budget.

[00:12:13] I feel like everything in the middle just like black, I can take it or leave it.

[00:12:17] So I've always thought that, you know, even people with our experience for us to be able

[00:12:23] to go into our house, a couple hundred dollars worth of stuff and kind of sort of

[00:12:27] recreate what we used to work in studios with millions of dollars.

[00:12:31] Oh, yeah.

[00:12:33] Best thing in the world.

[00:12:33] Best thing.

[00:12:34] Oh, I mean, technology and the progress of technology and the democratization of all

[00:12:40] of these tools just because that price is driven down, the tech has expanded to the

[00:12:46] point where you can do so much with a single device.

[00:12:49] I mean, a smartphone as a prime example like you could you could do so much of this

[00:12:53] stuff with just a smartphone if you wanted to there are levels beyond that.

[00:12:56] But that's so empowering.

[00:12:59] And yet, you know, I think at this point we probably all take it for granted

[00:13:02] because it's just it's just is, you know, the oxygen.

[00:13:06] Yes, it almost seems semi normal and it's funny because I oftentimes tell people

[00:13:12] when I'm doing like he can't support them like, you know, the stuff that we're

[00:13:15] doing literally when I was in the industry would have been like two and a half

[00:13:19] million dollars worth of equipment.

[00:13:21] You got a $600 Mac mini and $150 mic and you're doing what used to cost us.

[00:13:28] And that's just equipment family.

[00:13:30] Cables anybody that comes from broadcast will tell you all the money is in cables.

[00:13:35] It's just a metric ton of cable.

[00:13:38] And the fact that most of this is one, you know, USB C, you know, slash wire cable

[00:13:44] of my blowing to me as simple as it gets.

[00:13:48] Right. Simple.

[00:13:49] I mean, well within the realm of the complicated world of technology.

[00:13:53] It's just most of the hard work has been done for us at this point.

[00:13:56] And we don't have to pay very much for it.

[00:13:58] Thankfully.

[00:14:00] That's awesome.

[00:14:00] It makes a big difference.

[00:14:01] It makes a big difference.

[00:14:03] So, okay.

[00:14:04] So I usually, you know, getting getting prepared for conversations like this,

[00:14:08] you know, go online and just kind of see what I can find and everything like that.

[00:14:11] Don't be scared.

[00:14:12] No, don't be scared.

[00:14:14] I saw that you were a break dancer when you were a kid.

[00:14:16] Yes.

[00:14:16] Oh yeah.

[00:14:17] My knee still hurts to this very day because of it.

[00:14:21] Tell me a little bit about that because when I was a kid, I wanted

[00:14:24] to be a break dancer badly, but of course, you know, it that was

[00:14:28] just something to do.

[00:14:31] Honestly, it was something to do and I kind of just, I remember watching

[00:14:40] breaking this movie back in the day.

[00:14:44] And I was like, oh, I'm going to do that.

[00:14:46] And so me and my friends, we were just watching over and over

[00:14:48] and trying to emulate the moves.

[00:14:50] And then we would go to, there's this kind of like

[00:14:53] amphitheater that's connected to a rec center which is right across

[00:14:57] from this elementary school.

[00:14:58] And we used to practice on the little stage until we got chased out

[00:15:01] every day.

[00:15:02] And yeah, it just started out from dancing and then from dancing,

[00:15:06] it was trying to create our own music tracks so that we can

[00:15:11] build routines that match the music tracks similar to like if

[00:15:15] you watch Jabberwockies today.

[00:15:17] And they're like, you're the only one that played an instrument.

[00:15:21] So you're in charge and I'm like, huh?

[00:15:23] I got to do that.

[00:15:25] And they're like, yeah.

[00:15:26] And they say, oh, plus you have a computer.

[00:15:28] And I was like, okay.

[00:15:30] So I had an Atari ST four.

[00:15:34] Okay.

[00:15:34] And I remember going to the store like, hey man, what's a

[00:15:38] MIDI?

[00:15:40] And it got displayed to me.

[00:15:43] Oh boy.

[00:15:43] And I was like, uh, then I remember buying like the first

[00:15:48] MIDI interface and then a keyboard and soon after samplers

[00:15:51] came out.

[00:15:52] So in a way my DJ career started because of dancing and my

[00:15:57] friends would be like, you're the only one that's a nerd so

[00:16:01] you can figure out this making the music tracks for our

[00:16:04] dancing.

[00:16:05] And that's what's going to do.

[00:16:05] Now mind you, music is pretty darn important in this

[00:16:07] whole equation, but whatever none of us know or want to

[00:16:10] do it, you do it.

[00:16:11] You take care of it.

[00:16:12] I'm like, thanks.

[00:16:14] So that's kind of in a way that's funny.

[00:16:16] I got heavy into computers because of music and then

[00:16:21] later on I got into design would probably let me in the

[00:16:26] video.

[00:16:27] I got into design from trying to make our flyers and

[00:16:31] t-shirts and you know back making a zine back in

[00:16:34] the day was the coolest thing you can do.

[00:16:36] Right?

[00:16:36] Oh yeah.

[00:16:36] So trying to make the dancer zine to had all of

[00:16:40] the cool songs.

[00:16:41] These songs are coming out.

[00:16:42] These from New York, this from Chicago.

[00:16:45] These are movies you got to go watch kind of stuff.

[00:16:47] Did you get free music as a result of your zine?

[00:16:49] Yeah once I got into radio, I started to enter in

[00:16:53] radio and then I got on every Friday the DJ pool

[00:16:57] opening just records for hours on hours.

[00:17:00] We would sit on the floor and open new music.

[00:17:02] The greatest thing since sliced bread.

[00:17:05] Oh my God so much fun.

[00:17:06] As a DJ that's like top of the level.

[00:17:11] 100%

[00:17:12] The DJ pool records every Friday are the best.

[00:17:16] Hearing stuff before anybody else hears it,

[00:17:18] absolutely the coolest.

[00:17:20] Yep exactly.

[00:17:22] Oh that's so cool.

[00:17:23] Immediately I've learned so much about you.

[00:17:25] When I came across the break dancing thing I was

[00:17:28] like I don't know how to ask this and have it

[00:17:30] have anything to do with technology so I'm

[00:17:32] just going to ask it and hope that it has some

[00:17:34] sort of connection.

[00:17:35] And it totally does.

[00:17:37] Well because you got to remember back then the

[00:17:40] best way to cut stuff used to be sit there with

[00:17:43] your tape deck and you're sitting on the radio

[00:17:45] and you're trying to time them.

[00:17:47] And it either worked or it didn't.

[00:17:50] So when computers got the ability to record

[00:17:53] and make that process easier,

[00:17:56] oh it was like somebody opened up the sky

[00:17:59] and just let the angels out.

[00:18:01] Like that was literally the coolest thing

[00:18:02] because before it was just sit there and wait.

[00:18:05] And if you missed it,

[00:18:06] you had to wait an hour or 20 minutes until

[00:18:09] it came back around in rotation

[00:18:10] and all the commercials.

[00:18:12] There's no Spotify.

[00:18:13] You had to sit there and wait for the song

[00:18:16] and like you could be in the kitchen

[00:18:18] and you hear oh you got to run in

[00:18:20] and try to catch it.

[00:18:21] It was wholly dramatic.

[00:18:24] So yeah in a way that's it.

[00:18:26] The dancing sort of led to me being a nerd.

[00:18:29] That's amazing.

[00:18:30] That's amazing.

[00:18:31] Are you still active in making music

[00:18:34] using your computer?

[00:18:36] Now my music is put on the Apple Vision Pro

[00:18:39] and use the Algorithm DJ app just to

[00:18:42] calm my nerves.

[00:18:45] But I retired from DJing

[00:18:48] about three to four weeks

[00:18:50] or three to four months before the pandemic hit.

[00:18:54] So I had knee surgery in that November.

[00:18:58] So I couldn't work at that point.

[00:19:01] And by the time I was able to stand up

[00:19:03] I was like okay I could go back to work

[00:19:05] but then I said I don't really want to.

[00:19:07] So I'm like yeah I'm not coming back.

[00:19:08] I'm going to think about this.

[00:19:09] And then two weeks later you guys got to stay in the house

[00:19:12] for two weeks and that was three years.

[00:19:15] So by that time I started to realize

[00:19:18] I didn't miss it when I could get up on Sunday

[00:19:21] at a normal time and my knees weren't hurting anymore

[00:19:24] and I wasn't half deaf.

[00:19:27] Yeah, yeah.

[00:19:29] I still listen to the music

[00:19:31] and try to keep up on the music side of it

[00:19:33] but I don't miss being in the

[00:19:36] test environment full of crazy people.

[00:19:38] I hear you. I completely get you

[00:19:41] and it's been a long time since

[00:19:44] since I DJed in an environment like that

[00:19:48] like very long time.

[00:19:49] But every once in a while I get that urge

[00:19:51] to like and now you can do it all on your computer again

[00:19:54] just like everything right?

[00:19:56] Like when I was DJing way back in the day

[00:19:58] it was stacks of vinyl

[00:19:59] and you had to have all this big equipment

[00:20:01] and now you can just load up a software

[00:20:04] and have a stack of audio files

[00:20:05] and it knows how to beat match.

[00:20:08] Like it does all this stuff for you.

[00:20:10] It does all this stuff for you.

[00:20:11] And getting algorithm on,

[00:20:14] well just DJ what they call it

[00:20:16] but the company's algorithm.

[00:20:18] Putting it on your iPad

[00:20:19] and just having fun by yourself

[00:20:22] with a cup of coffee is still good.

[00:20:24] Like it's just very

[00:20:25] and it gives you an opportunity to

[00:20:27] dig into the crates and find like older stuff

[00:20:29] or play around in doing experiments.

[00:20:31] It is a very good calming and relaxing thing

[00:20:35] and I still like finding gyms

[00:20:38] and the other thing that I still do

[00:20:40] which drives everybody around me crazy

[00:20:43] I can be listening to a song

[00:20:45] and I either know where the sample came from

[00:20:48] right?

[00:20:49] Because now everybody steals everything

[00:20:52] or I'll start like automatically mixing

[00:20:54] a whole different song in that

[00:20:56] and I'll be saying that part

[00:20:58] while this other song is on

[00:20:59] and then my other half she just looks at me

[00:21:01] like would you stop that?

[00:21:02] I'm trying to enjoy this song.

[00:21:03] I'm like sorry it's just automatic habit.

[00:21:06] So then next thing you know I'm in the living room

[00:21:07] and I'm playing them both together

[00:21:09] in the living room and she's like

[00:21:10] okay I can see where you're going with that.

[00:21:12] I know this is gonna work.

[00:21:14] I know this is gonna work.

[00:21:15] So I start still be matching in my head

[00:21:18] just from like random things

[00:21:20] but yeah kind of funny.

[00:21:23] That's cool.

[00:21:23] I have not played around with the algorithm

[00:21:25] software.

[00:21:26] Well I've not.

[00:21:27] Well I mean I many years ago

[00:21:30] when I was still at TWIT actually

[00:21:31] we had the algorithm people

[00:21:34] on all about Android at the time

[00:21:36] and they had a big hardware controller

[00:21:38] one of their earlier hardware controllers

[00:21:40] with you know two large decks

[00:21:42] or whatever that integrated

[00:21:44] with their software and so

[00:21:45] I had played around with it then

[00:21:47] but that was many years ago.

[00:21:48] That was probably like 20, 70.

[00:21:49] They just introduced

[00:21:51] a combination with Pioneer

[00:21:54] and I'm like yo I don't need to spend

[00:21:56] this 500 bucks right now

[00:21:58] about kind of a one.

[00:22:00] Birthday's coming up in a week.

[00:22:02] I'm like do I treat myself to a new controller

[00:22:04] that I've never taken anywhere?

[00:22:06] Totally yes.

[00:22:08] I definitely experienced that

[00:22:09] with DJ technology specifically.

[00:22:11] Yes and so there is this new one

[00:22:14] it's only about Yo Big

[00:22:15] and there's one by Hercules

[00:22:17] and one by Panasonic Slash Pioneer

[00:22:21] which you can just

[00:22:22] take on a plane with your iPhone

[00:22:24] and I'm like I'm in the plane a lot.

[00:22:27] I might buy it, it's only like 120 bucks.

[00:22:30] Yep and it's a small miniaturized.

[00:22:32] Yes I've actually played with one of those.

[00:22:35] I think I reviewed it for TWIT

[00:22:36] probably in like 2018 or whatever

[00:22:39] and what it did is

[00:22:41] it inspired me to

[00:22:43] because I used to also write music

[00:22:44] for like dance clubs

[00:22:46] and stuff like that back in the early 2000s

[00:22:48] so it inspired me to pull out

[00:22:50] a lot of that music that I wrote

[00:22:51] and do like a virtual DJ mix

[00:22:53] with just my music using

[00:22:56] that thing and that's what like

[00:22:58] this technology like I'm not DJing

[00:23:00] at all anymore

[00:23:01] but I see something like that

[00:23:03] I'm like I guess I could spend a couple hundred dollars on that

[00:23:06] like it would only be for me

[00:23:08] but still it's so much fun to do that process.

[00:23:10] So here's a takeaway

[00:23:11] for anybody listening at home

[00:23:13] or watching this on you know later date

[00:23:16] one thing about being a creator

[00:23:18] and how you avoid creators block

[00:23:20] is always create

[00:23:22] even if it's not in the current

[00:23:26] creating echelon that you're using to

[00:23:28] you know like make money

[00:23:29] or market in or whatever.

[00:23:31] So like at this point in time both of us are basically YouTubers

[00:23:34] but I find is still

[00:23:36] important for me to write right

[00:23:38] I find it's still important for me

[00:23:40] to play around with my music and stuff

[00:23:42] and I am horrible

[00:23:45] with the paintbrush

[00:23:46] but I will pull out the watercolors

[00:23:48] thing and just move paint

[00:23:50] around on this piece of paper

[00:23:52] you know clown it with my niece

[00:23:55] because a creator

[00:23:56] needs to create at all given points in time.

[00:23:59] So I practice

[00:24:00] creativity in the kitchen

[00:24:02] I practice creativity with

[00:24:04] my stupid I like to make up my own

[00:24:06] lyrics for songs completely

[00:24:08] drives the old lady crazy because she's normally

[00:24:10] the subject matter of some of these

[00:24:14] you know

[00:24:15] but I feel like

[00:24:17] you have to do that and I find

[00:24:18] that what a lot of creators do

[00:24:20] is like they're a video creator

[00:24:22] so they try to only create videos they get locked

[00:24:24] in they locked in and then

[00:24:26] way that's actually blocking

[00:24:28] you so the best way to remain creative as

[00:24:30] a human is to constantly create

[00:24:32] and I also tell my students

[00:24:34] who are like well I'm having a hard time doing

[00:24:36] this this and this I go no you're an excellent creator

[00:24:38] they're like well how so I'm like because

[00:24:40] right now you're really good at creating excuses

[00:24:44] good one

[00:24:45] sure that finds a way once every year

[00:24:49] that gets them

[00:24:49] that gets them

[00:24:53] like oh yeah I guess I am

[00:24:55] oh yeah

[00:24:56] that's I

[00:24:58] realize in my life

[00:25:00] that making music

[00:25:03] is really important to me

[00:25:04] yet

[00:25:05] I allow everything else

[00:25:08] to take priority right

[00:25:10] especially right now like right now it's like

[00:25:12] prime directive got to create content

[00:25:14] online got to make this business

[00:25:16] work

[00:25:17] whether that's actually going to happen in the long run

[00:25:20] but finding the time

[00:25:22] to then put it into

[00:25:24] my most passionate

[00:25:26] creative outlet

[00:25:28] is really hard it's hard to find the time

[00:25:30] I got one for you

[00:25:33] it's perfect the next time

[00:25:35] you have to do some ideation

[00:25:37] for topics for the show

[00:25:38] guess you should talk to whatever

[00:25:41] put your phone on the table

[00:25:42] press on voice notes

[00:25:44] and then instead of just spitting

[00:25:46] the notes out loud

[00:25:48] pull off one of those strats off the wall

[00:25:50] or that Taylor Gibson I can't tell by the fret

[00:25:52] if it's a Taylor Gibson pull that sucker down

[00:25:55] and strum while you're thinking

[00:25:57] yeah yeah

[00:25:58] I guarantee you more thoughts come out

[00:26:00] when your hands are doing what your hands know how to do

[00:26:02] automatically

[00:26:04] more thoughts will come out

[00:26:05] I find if I need to ideate

[00:26:07] I have to do beats on the table

[00:26:10] pisses everybody off at Starbucks

[00:26:12] but I

[00:26:13] like hands on the table

[00:26:15] sort of thing

[00:26:16] my head's bobbing I'm thinking I'll stop

[00:26:18] I write down what I got it right down

[00:26:20] and if I ideate with that flow

[00:26:22] it completely works

[00:26:24] you know more stuff comes out

[00:26:26] because that's how your brain is wired bro

[00:26:28] yeah

[00:26:28] when you're doing something else

[00:26:31] right?

[00:26:34] depends on the situation

[00:26:36] um no but

[00:26:38] I think you're right

[00:26:39] and I know you're right actually because how many times

[00:26:42] have I been doing something else

[00:26:43] actually today just today

[00:26:46] I you know every Tuesday I have a standing

[00:26:48] kind of Pilates appointment

[00:26:49] it's something I do every week to keep myself healthy

[00:26:52] and whatever

[00:26:53] and always it's

[00:26:55] the hour of time

[00:26:56] it's not the most entertaining

[00:26:59] hour of my life

[00:27:00] but I do it because I know it's good for me

[00:27:02] and guaranteed through that hour

[00:27:04] I'm gonna have 10 or 12 things that pop into my mind

[00:27:07] that the second that I'm done

[00:27:09] I can't remember but it was brilliant

[00:27:11] I wish I had written it down

[00:27:12] 100%

[00:27:13] so are you intending Pilates or unintended

[00:27:17] if somebody pushing you

[00:27:19] or using the machines

[00:27:21] oh I've got well there's a Pilates

[00:27:22] it's a group class

[00:27:24] so there's a Pilates structure

[00:27:25] she's telling us what to do

[00:27:28] but yeah

[00:27:29] you could take your air pod

[00:27:31] trigger real quick and just tell Siri

[00:27:34] yeah and do that

[00:27:35] depending on where it kills me

[00:27:38] I'm driving I can't

[00:27:40] write it down or I'm in the

[00:27:41] stop that or I'm in the shower

[00:27:44] and I can't write it down

[00:27:45] so I've learned to tell

[00:27:47] homegirl over there

[00:27:48] I've been like hey girl

[00:27:50] I got this idea completely unfledged

[00:27:52] but just write this down

[00:27:53] and so now with the advancements

[00:27:56] and Apple Intelligent coming up next week

[00:27:58] or even with the Google Assistant

[00:28:00] you can take a voice memo

[00:28:02] so without touching your phone

[00:28:05] your device your speaker

[00:28:06] you can take a voice memo

[00:28:07] please let it out then

[00:28:10] because if you don't after your asserted

[00:28:13] vintage

[00:28:13] it's gone

[00:28:15] it's completely gone

[00:28:17] so I actually bought a plaude

[00:28:18] because of this and I actually use it

[00:28:21] because it says it's really flat

[00:28:23] like audio recorder that goes

[00:28:25] in the back of your phone

[00:28:27] PLAUD

[00:28:28] it looks like a

[00:28:29] oversized field notes or slightly smaller

[00:28:33] and it fits in the little booty hole

[00:28:35] in the back of this case

[00:28:36] and I can just press record and just talk

[00:28:39] and then it writes it down for me

[00:28:40] it will do

[00:28:42] is it will, oh that's new

[00:28:44] that hasn't come out yet but that's what I got

[00:28:46] the gray one, what it will do

[00:28:48] is it will use AI to write it back

[00:28:50] into a normal human sentence

[00:28:52] sometimes I'll let it do that

[00:28:54] sometimes I just need the MP3 so I can listen to it myself

[00:28:56] so I can write my own notes down

[00:28:59] because yeah now we're in a position

[00:29:01] because we're always

[00:29:02] doing so many things

[00:29:04] we don't always have our field notes

[00:29:06] which I still carry around to

[00:29:08] and

[00:29:09] I don't know if you remember this

[00:29:11] back in the day Evernote used to have a sticker

[00:29:13] it says I'm not ignoring you

[00:29:15] I'm taking notes

[00:29:18] I don't remember that

[00:29:20] but that's good

[00:29:20] always bust this out of my back pocket

[00:29:23] in the middle of doing something

[00:29:24] I start writing something down, my friend

[00:29:25] like what are you writing down? nothing

[00:29:26] if I don't write it down at this age bro

[00:29:29] it's gone so let me write it down

[00:29:31] don't interrupt me when I'm writing this down

[00:29:33] otherwise I'm jacked

[00:29:34] the 80's happened

[00:29:36] things happen in the 80's which messed up my memory

[00:29:39] letting go

[00:29:41] I hear you I can identify

[00:29:43] that is so cool

[00:29:44] I love that reminder

[00:29:47] because it's time and time again

[00:29:49] age comes for all of us

[00:29:51] and as I get older I find

[00:29:53] it harder and harder

[00:29:55] to focus

[00:29:56] on that brilliant

[00:29:58] or cool idea or whatever

[00:30:00] if I don't act on it it's completely gone

[00:30:02] really you need to get

[00:30:04] a 3-4 pack of filled notes

[00:30:06] or even buy the cheapest ones you can find

[00:30:07] Muji makes incredible notebooks

[00:30:10] one in every room

[00:30:12] and you tell everybody in the house

[00:30:13] never remove these from this room

[00:30:16] because I swear like you said

[00:30:18] it's like the curse of creative people

[00:30:20] the ideas come to you

[00:30:21] when you can't do nothing about it

[00:30:23] it does

[00:30:24] when you hear stories

[00:30:27] I'm with you I like to listen to

[00:30:29] origin stories

[00:30:30] when I hear Ryan Reynolds say

[00:30:33] I was in a restaurant having a bowl

[00:30:35] of broccoli cheese soup

[00:30:37] and the concept

[00:30:39] of Deadpool 2

[00:30:41] where I wanted to take it came to me

[00:30:43] so I just asked

[00:30:45] to wait for a napkin

[00:30:46] and I wrote the bones down

[00:30:49] on a napkin while I was eating

[00:30:51] something this happens all the time

[00:30:53] if you listen to

[00:30:55] that

[00:30:56] thing that we all know

[00:30:58] as the Phil Collins

[00:31:00] in the air of the night riff

[00:31:06] complete accident

[00:31:07] complete riffing

[00:31:09] and what most people don't know

[00:31:11] if you take the time to listen to the lyrics

[00:31:14] they make not one bit of sense

[00:31:17] because you as a music creator

[00:31:20] knows sometimes you just mumble words

[00:31:22] in order to find the melody

[00:31:24] yes

[00:31:25] they recorded that he had every intention

[00:31:28] on going back and writing a song

[00:31:30] when they were looking to fill

[00:31:32] a song

[00:31:33] they took that and they said

[00:31:36] okay we're gonna write it so they built

[00:31:37] the sound they built

[00:31:40] the final qualities and they're like yeah this is great

[00:31:42] and Phil's like but I need to

[00:31:44] it was never supposed to come out

[00:31:46] but it came out his most

[00:31:48] iconic song lyrics don't make a damn

[00:31:50] but there were mumbles for

[00:31:52] the melody finding and

[00:31:54] that gated snare was a

[00:31:56] miss wiring of cables

[00:31:57] it wasn't intended to that so the gated snare

[00:32:00] that we all love from the 80s

[00:32:02] came from that accident

[00:32:04] two things were never supposed to happen

[00:32:06] in that song most iconic song

[00:32:08] from Genesis slash Phil Collins

[00:32:10] ever

[00:32:11] sometimes the most memorable thing

[00:32:13] at least in my experience with music

[00:32:16] is the thing you didn't intend on

[00:32:17] it's that random little blip or that random moment

[00:32:20] and

[00:32:21] especially nowadays in the realm of

[00:32:23] music creation the tools

[00:32:25] are so good that we can get

[00:32:27] perfect everything

[00:32:29] and along with that perfection

[00:32:32] comes the removal

[00:32:33] of mistakes and moments

[00:32:35] like that potentially it's like oh well that's

[00:32:37] not perfect therefore it's out

[00:32:39] I think that's a lot of people

[00:32:40] that don't appreciate where music

[00:32:43] is at right now I think that's a big part of the reason

[00:32:45] why because

[00:32:47] humanity is gone when we have the ability

[00:32:49] to fix everything one thing that came

[00:32:51] up and then I gotta take a quick break

[00:32:53] and then we'll come back and talk a little bit more

[00:32:55] about where we're going

[00:32:57] cause I love that it's super random and it's great

[00:33:00] is a book called

[00:33:01] Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert

[00:33:04] and it's

[00:33:05] Creative Living Beyond Fear and I only bring this

[00:33:07] up because some of what you've been talking about

[00:33:09] is encapsulated in this book

[00:33:11] it's fascinating book kind of about the creative

[00:33:13] mind and the creative process

[00:33:15] but what really struck me about what

[00:33:17] you were saying and what's in the book

[00:33:19] is that as a musician as one example

[00:33:21] that she gives in the book

[00:33:24] she kind of likens it

[00:33:26] to when an idea, a song idea

[00:33:28] appears in our head

[00:33:29] this is an idea that actually has the ability

[00:33:31] to leave us and go into somebody else

[00:33:33] so are you willing to

[00:33:35] capture it and to do something

[00:33:37] with it before it becomes somebody else's

[00:33:39] great idea and that's

[00:33:41] ever since reading it that's really stuck with me

[00:33:44] and it's been a constant reminder

[00:33:45] for me like when I've got a great idea

[00:33:48] like capture it because

[00:33:49] that idea might go to somebody else somewhere

[00:33:51] down the line and hey it was my idea

[00:33:53] it was here first bro that is it

[00:33:55] look you just cost me an audible credit

[00:33:58] alright do it it's a fantastic

[00:34:00] book it's called Big Magic

[00:34:01] it is already on my way to the phone

[00:34:03] that is super good

[00:34:04] in my community

[00:34:06] my friends crack up laughing

[00:34:09] with me because I have the

[00:34:11] worst case of musical

[00:34:13] Tourette's known to man

[00:34:14] and I tell them I can't help it

[00:34:16] I legit have been playing records since I was 14

[00:34:19] yeah yeah it's embedded

[00:34:21] when you said like are you ready

[00:34:23] to capture it my brain in my head is going

[00:34:25] dun dun dun dun dun

[00:34:26] I'm doing Eminem palms are sweaty

[00:34:29] you know it just

[00:34:31] happens instantly

[00:34:33] and I love this kind of thing because you're right

[00:34:35] like those triggers you really got to

[00:34:37] get to them as soon as you can

[00:34:40] David David

[00:34:41] oh my god Alan was like

[00:34:43] your brain was not meant to hold these things

[00:34:45] your brain was meant to just create them and you got

[00:34:47] to let them out so he was the one that

[00:34:49] says write down everything as soon as you come

[00:34:51] to it and that's why we call it capture probably from

[00:34:53] his GTD system like I think

[00:34:55] that word sticks everywhere because of him

[00:34:57] and you just never know the

[00:34:59] impact you're going to have on someone so

[00:35:00] thank you for the tip I love it yeah

[00:35:03] absolutely alright we're gonna take a quick break

[00:35:05] come back talk a little bit more with

[00:35:07] doc rock

[00:35:43] so

[00:35:45] you were talking a little bit earlier

[00:35:47] about being

[00:35:48] being a kid and having

[00:35:49] your dad working in

[00:35:52] broadcast and everything I guess the question

[00:35:54] that comes up for me is

[00:35:56] as a kid with that kind of access

[00:35:58] like I certainly didn't have that kind of

[00:36:00] access my dad was not involved in technology at all

[00:36:02] so I had to be the one to like

[00:36:04] get the

[00:36:06] portable speaker and take it apart

[00:36:08] and figure out the wiring and do all that

[00:36:10] stuff on my own like what was your

[00:36:12] experience as a kid having a

[00:36:14] father who worked and

[00:36:15] did everything that he did in technology like

[00:36:18] how did that I don't know how did that

[00:36:20] supercharge your childhood

[00:36:22] okay so this is this is awesome

[00:36:24] alright so

[00:36:25] my my

[00:36:27] paternal father

[00:36:29] was a truck driver

[00:36:32] but when I left

[00:36:34] home in my teens

[00:36:37] I

[00:36:37] came to Hawaii and I was

[00:36:39] adopted by this Korean family

[00:36:41] my Korean dad is the broadcast guy

[00:36:43] okay so I have the rich dad poor

[00:36:45] dad experience but my Korean

[00:36:47] dad wasn't any not that much richer

[00:36:49] than my blood father

[00:36:51] however one of the things that

[00:36:53] my blood father and my grandfather

[00:36:55] put me on to was when I was

[00:36:57] a little kid my first

[00:36:59] ever like prominent gift

[00:37:01] that wasn't made by Fisher price

[00:37:03] was a tool set

[00:37:05] and erector set so

[00:37:07] you mentioned a part about taking things apart

[00:37:09] yo I started taking stuff apart

[00:37:11] when I was a little kid I should take apart

[00:37:13] the TV take apart the record players take

[00:37:15] apart the a track yes and that old

[00:37:18] and put things back together

[00:37:20] and

[00:37:21] I remember building

[00:37:23] like my own little

[00:37:25] radio that could this company called

[00:37:27] ESPN started

[00:37:29] up in Connecticut

[00:37:31] Bristol Connecticut

[00:37:32] and I had got

[00:37:34] a

[00:37:36] CB radio slash ham radio

[00:37:38] set up from my grandpa

[00:37:39] and I remember playing around with that and

[00:37:42] wiring antenna from a Zenith

[00:37:44] book if you remember Zenith

[00:37:45] these are heat kid it's like Radio Shack

[00:37:48] I remember winding antenna and I was

[00:37:50] getting ESPN signals on this little black

[00:37:52] and white TV we had in the house

[00:37:53] it was horrible but it kind of worked

[00:37:55] and you can see color football game

[00:37:57] and then once my grandfather saw that I had

[00:38:00] that kind of acumen

[00:38:02] government jobs

[00:38:03] were starting to get computers

[00:38:05] and they were issuing the

[00:38:08] Snoopy calendars on dot matrix

[00:38:09] my family

[00:38:11] knew that I had a proclivity to this

[00:38:14] so I got a trash 80

[00:38:15] when I was

[00:38:17] 10 maybe 8

[00:38:19] 10 TRS 80

[00:38:21] sorry we call it trash 80 now

[00:38:23] so even my

[00:38:26] poor family saw

[00:38:28] that I had a technical acumen

[00:38:30] and they enforced it like they got me

[00:38:32] things or somebody in

[00:38:34] the family would be like hey this blender stopped

[00:38:36] working can you figure it out and they

[00:38:38] would just give it to me it's like you get it to fix

[00:38:40] cool if you don't get it to fix

[00:38:42] cool because it's dead anyway

[00:38:43] and then next thing you know

[00:38:45] I'm like mom how do you make a peanut colada she's

[00:38:48] like what do you know about peanut colada

[00:38:49] I don't know I see I heard the song on the radio

[00:38:51] and I fix auntie's blender

[00:38:54] and then she's like first of

[00:38:56] all it has alcohol you can't have that

[00:38:58] oh shouldn't told me that

[00:39:00] so

[00:39:01] but like people in my family

[00:39:03] or the neighborhood would just get me broken stuff

[00:39:06] and then I would fix it

[00:39:08] and that kind of built that so

[00:39:10] when I got here how I

[00:39:11] found my career dad is I was here by myself

[00:39:14] and I

[00:39:15] walked into this electronic store looking for

[00:39:18] a capacitor

[00:39:19] and we were talking and he's like oh you're

[00:39:21] an army and I'm like yeah

[00:39:23] and he goes I'm ex army and he told me

[00:39:25] like he was from engineering corps I was in the medical corps

[00:39:27] we often work tight together

[00:39:29] and then he was like I have

[00:39:31] a teenage son

[00:39:33] who is like

[00:39:35] kind of internal but he could use a big

[00:39:37] brother somebody like you that

[00:39:39] would show him the rose anything I tell him he won't listen

[00:39:41] but he kind of knew that my army

[00:39:43] training his army training we had a similar

[00:39:45] principle but like if I

[00:39:47] tell little brother something is cool

[00:39:48] if dad tell little brother something is

[00:39:51] you know

[00:39:52] insert six letter that

[00:39:55] so he kind of was like

[00:39:56] if you don't would you mind I was like oh absolutely

[00:39:58] I haven't you know any friends here yet I'm brand new

[00:40:01] and

[00:40:02] like literally we became the best of friends and they

[00:40:05] kind of adopted me because my mom wanted me to return

[00:40:07] back to the mainland

[00:40:08] but it was 85

[00:40:11] and New York DC

[00:40:12] 85 was not a good place to be

[00:40:14] so we kind of

[00:40:16] convinced her to let me stay here

[00:40:18] and then he's like I'll make sure

[00:40:20] he has a job and make sure he finishes college

[00:40:23] you know when he finishes the army

[00:40:24] I'll make sure he stays out of trouble

[00:40:26] and my mom was like

[00:40:28] come back to the block

[00:40:30] and you know get into all myriad

[00:40:33] forms of ill-reputed

[00:40:35] or stay here

[00:40:36] and sort of work in something that she knew

[00:40:39] I was really into so I started working at the store

[00:40:41] and selling

[00:40:42] commercial equipment and broadcast

[00:40:44] equipment, consumer electronics

[00:40:46] so basically I was selling

[00:40:48] TV, stereo, radios

[00:40:50] Sony broadcast cameras, recorders

[00:40:52] and you know even

[00:40:53] Grass Valley switches like I sold

[00:40:55] Grass Valley switches. Wow this is a store that had

[00:40:58] literally everything. Yeah it was called video life.

[00:41:00] Go into any tech store

[00:41:02] and find Grass Valley switches you know.

[00:41:03] Yeah yeah right so because they

[00:41:05] he always supported the broadcast industry

[00:41:07] because that's where he came from but then

[00:41:09] being always busy doing that

[00:41:11] like you know mom would be mad

[00:41:14] like why are you always you know back and forth

[00:41:16] to Japan and Korea like what are you doing

[00:41:18] and he goes I know how to keep her busy

[00:41:20] let's sell TVs and VCRs

[00:41:22] and stuff because he made relationships with people

[00:41:24] that Sony and JVC and Panasonic

[00:41:25] so she handled

[00:41:27] the consumer side and then

[00:41:29] we handled the broadcast side and so

[00:41:32] even being slightly older

[00:41:34] myself and my little brother

[00:41:36] June we got to help him with the

[00:41:38] pro stuff and we basically hired

[00:41:40] workers to do the consumer stuff although

[00:41:41] we did consumer stuff whenever it was slow

[00:41:44] season so or Christmas

[00:41:45] all hands on deck during Christmas right

[00:41:49] yeah the

[00:41:50] the funniest thing I ever did out of that

[00:41:51] process though is

[00:41:53] I discovered

[00:41:55] what happens when your funds are miscurned

[00:41:59] because I used to

[00:41:59] build the store ad full page ad

[00:42:01] in Quark Express

[00:42:04] and Sony we had this

[00:42:05] thing where you would do these really cheap

[00:42:07] products the lowest end

[00:42:10] of a Sony device in the line

[00:42:11] to get people in the store and Sony would

[00:42:13] pay for the ad and then

[00:42:16] normally people would see the cool

[00:42:17] stuff and buy more Sony stuff so Sony was

[00:42:19] very brilliant so we had this

[00:42:21] VCR and it's going to be like

[00:42:24] $119 on Sunday

[00:42:26] right and they give us like 50 of them

[00:42:27] and use those as lost leaders to get bodies in the

[00:42:30] store and I want

[00:42:31] to do everything in Helvetica because I was

[00:42:33] a new designer and Helvetica was cool

[00:42:36] turns out the Helvetica that ships

[00:42:37] with windows is not the same

[00:42:40] as the Helvetica that ship with

[00:42:41] Apple so I turned in my ad

[00:42:44] and it was $11

[00:42:46] VCR

[00:42:48] we show up to the store on Sunday

[00:42:50] there's a line

[00:42:52] around the freaking block

[00:42:54] and then I pull up

[00:42:56] fresh from the club kind of

[00:42:58] little bit hangover I'm like you'll see

[00:43:00] oh and my mom was like

[00:43:02] Pobo Siggi which is like

[00:43:04] Korean for you stupid ass

[00:43:07] and I was like what and so we had to

[00:43:10] let them all go and luckily Sony helped us

[00:43:12] cover it but we had

[00:43:13] to sell all of the VCRs

[00:43:15] so everybody got $11 VCRs out of it

[00:43:17] because you have to order it but

[00:43:19] that's when I first learned that all funds ain't

[00:43:21] treated equal and flatten your files

[00:43:24] never send an EPS or a post

[00:43:25] script file that's not just curves so

[00:43:27] nobody could edit it yeah I learned a whole

[00:43:29] bunch of mistakes that day thought I was going to get killed

[00:43:32] oh I bet

[00:43:33] that yes that I'm sure

[00:43:35] that the discovery at that point was

[00:43:37] the heart sinking to your feet feeling

[00:43:39] right anybody that's ever been

[00:43:41] bihectual knows that

[00:43:43] aerial Mac and aerial PC used to be completely

[00:43:45] different I think they're similar now

[00:43:47] I think OTF funds have

[00:43:49] kind of fixed that but back in the day they're

[00:43:51] absolutely different yeah

[00:43:54] yeah wow now when you say

[00:43:55] here versus mainland where in Hawaii

[00:43:58] are you for people who know

[00:43:59] Honolulu I live roughly

[00:44:01] a mile away from Waikiki

[00:44:02] okay okay

[00:44:04] would you say that the technology

[00:44:06] experience living and growing

[00:44:08] up in Hawaii was very different

[00:44:10] from say the mainland

[00:44:12] oh one I imagine things were way more

[00:44:14] expensive but it's

[00:44:16] yes but it's actually faster

[00:44:18] because of the pro okay two things

[00:44:20] to know about Hawaii the proximity to Asia

[00:44:22] is closer it's only a nine hour flight

[00:44:24] hmm the other thing is

[00:44:26] we have probably

[00:44:28] the largest Asian

[00:44:30] diaspora away from the Asian countries

[00:44:32] in Hawaii so Hawaii is

[00:44:34] like 60 some odd percent

[00:44:36] Japanese right so we

[00:44:38] get the thing you remember when Japan was just running

[00:44:40] tech we had everything here

[00:44:42] months sometimes years before

[00:44:44] mainland US got it oh okay

[00:44:47] right and then same thing with

[00:44:48] Korea and same thing with China

[00:44:50] so we would get things way

[00:44:52] earlier like now import

[00:44:54] racing is very very big in

[00:44:56] the continent in the US but

[00:44:58] we were doing import racing in Hawaii since the early

[00:45:00] 80s you know the JDM things

[00:45:02] are watching anime

[00:45:04] people watching anime now there's like oh I just

[00:45:06] started watching this I'm like yeah that's old

[00:45:07] no it's not it's brand new no it's not

[00:45:09] like so

[00:45:12] yeah Hawaii has always had

[00:45:14] a faster connection just because

[00:45:16] there's so many people that travel back and forth

[00:45:18] and even me now I'm back to Japan

[00:45:20] like two three times a year

[00:45:22] yeah well no that's that's true

[00:45:24] you do a lot of travel is would you say Japan

[00:45:26] is the place that you go

[00:45:27] that's my host

[00:45:29] I was born Japanese in a different

[00:45:32] lifetime or something

[00:45:33] I love that place so so much

[00:45:36] like it's just for the food

[00:45:38] is good

[00:45:39] the quality to me

[00:45:42] I'm very much into balance

[00:45:44] which I guess is of itself

[00:45:46] a Japanese thing

[00:45:48] they always talk about balance

[00:45:50] and the coolest thing to me about

[00:45:52] Japan is like when I'm in Kyoto

[00:45:54] I'm in the middle of a major modern

[00:45:56] metropolitan

[00:45:57] 15 minute bus ride

[00:45:59] country silence

[00:46:02] just enjoy

[00:46:02] just get right back in the bus go back to the city

[00:46:05] like it's hard to do

[00:46:08] that because we have the most

[00:46:09] space but we've

[00:46:11] tend to put the space far away from

[00:46:14] the cities they

[00:46:15] put the space next

[00:46:18] to the city because you need to go there more often

[00:46:20] so even

[00:46:21] in New York is cool because you got Central Park

[00:46:24] you got you know Brian Park you got places

[00:46:25] you can go a lot of cities they just

[00:46:27] build so much that there's no even like

[00:46:29] good parks and some of the parks are so

[00:46:31] in the city they haven't figured out

[00:46:33] how to build the separation

[00:46:36] in Japan in

[00:46:37] the middle of the city like in Tokyo

[00:46:39] you'll build a little park

[00:46:41] and you can see this guy scrapers because

[00:46:43] they're big but I swear the park

[00:46:45] is almost silent it's like how did

[00:46:47] they do that it's like the way

[00:46:49] they plant the trees to the outside and there's

[00:46:51] a little buffer zone and when you're in the

[00:46:53] park you're in the park

[00:46:55] and they take well care of it and it's

[00:46:57] designed to give you a place

[00:46:59] to disconnect and learning

[00:47:01] that in my college days

[00:47:03] I am very good at disconnecting

[00:47:05] and you know kind of going somewhere

[00:47:08] yeah have you ever taken a break from

[00:47:10] technology have you ever disconnected

[00:47:11] from you know you're talking about

[00:47:13] disconnecting from the chaos of a city

[00:47:15] to go to a park have you ever applied that to

[00:47:17] your technical or technological world

[00:47:19] I think yes and no

[00:47:22] I

[00:47:24] totally disbelieve in oh you got to

[00:47:25] put all the phones down and turn off and run away from

[00:47:27] social media no you don't

[00:47:30] you just have to control what you absorb

[00:47:32] I think most people don't realize

[00:47:34] everyone loves to use the word algorithm

[00:47:35] but don't really know what it means but for

[00:47:37] those of us that went to school and took

[00:47:39] calculus or whatever and we understand

[00:47:41] algorithms

[00:47:44] the platforms

[00:47:45] are only designed for you

[00:47:48] to enjoy

[00:47:49] more of what you say

[00:47:51] you love and even

[00:47:53] if you don't say it your behavior

[00:47:56] will tell it

[00:47:57] that this is what you love

[00:47:59] or it inspires something

[00:48:01] in you good, bad or indifferent

[00:48:03] the platform for the

[00:48:05] me as an ad buyer

[00:48:07] right I'm going to buy ad for my product

[00:48:09] is designed to make sure that Jason

[00:48:11] watches much of this platform as possible so he has

[00:48:13] more chance of seeing my ad

[00:48:16] right

[00:48:16] so if you create content in a matter

[00:48:19] where you are the procuring cause

[00:48:22] of a person's positive experience

[00:48:24] on YouTube

[00:48:25] like you're going to create this video someone's going to see our conversation

[00:48:28] like those two old guys are funny

[00:48:29] let me watch something else with two old guys

[00:48:31] on it and another thing with two old guys on it

[00:48:33] if you can create somebody to sit on a

[00:48:35] YouTube platform for five hours

[00:48:37] YouTube will promote your videos

[00:48:39] Tech Exploder to Exploder

[00:48:41] Tech Exploder will be

[00:48:43] one of the number one videos on YouTube

[00:48:45] because you're creating a

[00:48:47] curiosity tunnel or we all

[00:48:49] call rabbit hole

[00:48:50] if you can be the person that creates the rabbit hole

[00:48:53] to keep a person's butt in the chair on the platform for a long time

[00:48:56] they will promote that

[00:48:57] if you make content for YouTube

[00:48:59] and you say

[00:49:00] leave YouTube and go to my site and buy my stuff

[00:49:03] and look at my things

[00:49:04] you just took somebody out of Google's mall

[00:49:07] to a place where Google can't make any money

[00:49:09] Google doesn't support that

[00:49:11] because that's not how they make money

[00:49:13] which is why you'll notice

[00:49:15] if you search for something

[00:49:17] nowadays after the sponsor content

[00:49:19] the first three responses are YouTube videos

[00:49:21] because they know

[00:49:23] that the video would nine times out of ten

[00:49:25] answer that person's question

[00:49:27] they also know

[00:49:28] that nobody watches one video and turns it off

[00:49:33] nobody you haven't done that in forever

[00:49:35] and try it next time you say

[00:49:36] I'm gonna just watch this answer

[00:49:38] and then you're like three more of the same

[00:49:40] you want to make sure this person is right

[00:49:41] so you watch three more videos

[00:49:44] trust and verify

[00:49:45] unless you have premium

[00:49:47] you end up getting more ads

[00:49:49] Google is finding a way to keep you in the mall

[00:49:51] so the reality is if you want

[00:49:54] a pure clean

[00:49:56] fanciful social media experience

[00:49:58] you need to create positive

[00:50:00] you need to watch positive

[00:50:01] when you see something negative swipe right past it

[00:50:04] don't let it trigger you don't let it ignore you

[00:50:06] don't let it suck you in

[00:50:07] we don't care who said what or why they did it

[00:50:10] just move right past it

[00:50:11] and go to the cats

[00:50:12] you watch the cats playing

[00:50:14] within three days you will see nothing but cats playing

[00:50:18] yep but the minute you stop

[00:50:19] and double take on the pose

[00:50:21] because the

[00:50:24] elephants and the donkeys

[00:50:25] are fighting about something stupid

[00:50:28] oh those work better

[00:50:30] so let me send you

[00:50:32] 200 of those

[00:50:34] yeah

[00:50:34] so you need to watch

[00:50:39] 100

[00:50:39] happy pose in order to keep away

[00:50:42] too bad pose

[00:50:44] because the too bad pose will amplify

[00:50:47] it's hard in the moment

[00:50:49] to remember

[00:50:51] to remind yourself to keep moving on

[00:50:53] especially now because now there's a lot of

[00:50:56] false content being generated out there

[00:50:58] to trigger you

[00:50:59] so just don't trigger any of it

[00:51:00] just ignore it like if you want to watch that stuff

[00:51:03] go purposely looking

[00:51:04] forward and maybe even make a dummy

[00:51:06] account

[00:51:08] to go engage in that stuff

[00:51:10] because then your regular feed

[00:51:12] that's your family feed your friends I want to see

[00:51:14] what my homies are doing that feed stays clean

[00:51:17] when you find yourself curious to find

[00:51:19] out what's popping off

[00:51:20] in the elephant donkey wrestling then

[00:51:22] use a separate account for that

[00:51:26] oh man

[00:51:26] yes I hear you completely

[00:51:28] that would all be

[00:51:29] more effective if my younger daughter

[00:51:32] didn't have access to my youtube

[00:51:34] on our tv set

[00:51:36] because let me tell you

[00:51:38] that skews things

[00:51:39] probably anything in my life

[00:51:42] every once in a while mother-in-law

[00:51:44] comes over and she forgets

[00:51:47] to switch to her account

[00:51:48] I put her account on the tv

[00:51:50] but she'll forget to switch it

[00:51:52] and I'll go in and I'm looking for

[00:51:54] soccer football and round football

[00:51:56] and oblong football

[00:51:57] and I'm like

[00:51:59] how to cook ramen

[00:52:01] or like how to make a japanese

[00:52:04] fried chicken and I'm like lucky for you

[00:52:06] I can understand japanese but otherwise

[00:52:08] my whole youtube becomes japanese

[00:52:10] and I'm like mom

[00:52:11] use your own account say my say

[00:52:14] yeah yeah I hear you

[00:52:16] I hear you on that I know that we're running out of time

[00:52:18] before we go

[00:52:20] I do want to make sure that we get

[00:52:22] a little bit of a plug in for you

[00:52:24] Docpops because

[00:52:26] I love it when people

[00:52:28] who I appreciate and follow

[00:52:30] and just enjoy

[00:52:32] watching as I do you

[00:52:34] and everything that you do online

[00:52:36] go a step further

[00:52:37] and actually create like a product

[00:52:40] like you created a product dude

[00:52:41] that's amazing tell us about it

[00:52:43] it was funny so there was a company

[00:52:46] they're out of Holland

[00:52:47] and they used to sell covers for the SM7B

[00:52:50] but as I travel around

[00:52:52] and teach podcasting and go to

[00:52:54] podcasting events there's so many people

[00:52:56] that are like well I have an MV7

[00:52:58] or a PodMic and those are the most

[00:53:00] common right now

[00:53:02] and there was nothing really for those guys

[00:53:04] well the other side of it is for a piece of foam

[00:53:06] that I could only order from the Netherlands

[00:53:08] the shipping was like $60

[00:53:11] the foam

[00:53:12] itself was like $30 and I was like number one

[00:53:15] $30 is a little

[00:53:16] expensive for a piece of foam

[00:53:18] and number two $60 for shipping

[00:53:20] is just ridiculous now maybe

[00:53:22] if you're in the East Coast it's only $40

[00:53:24] it's still stupid so

[00:53:25] I went to my friend and I goes

[00:53:27] I want to make these I want to make them better

[00:53:30] I want to make them acoustically sound

[00:53:32] so they're not just shipping foam

[00:53:34] and I want them to have

[00:53:35] really really elaborate

[00:53:37] colors and my buddy

[00:53:40] was like I can help you with that

[00:53:41] he was my program director when I was in radio

[00:53:44] but he lives in China and he normally

[00:53:46] helps

[00:53:48] create funko pops

[00:53:49] you know those little weird dolls with the big eyeballs

[00:53:52] yep and then so he started

[00:53:54] like helping other people here

[00:53:56] who wanted to create stuff

[00:53:57] so we had a conversation and he says I can help you do that

[00:54:00] and so I just closed the first round

[00:54:02] of pre-sales anybody wants to order you still can order

[00:54:04] but you'll probably see your

[00:54:06] thing in like the end of October

[00:54:07] because the first batch just went in

[00:54:10] and now manufacturing started

[00:54:12] two days ago

[00:54:13] that's exciting

[00:54:14] they're being manufactured as we speak

[00:54:16] I am finishing up

[00:54:18] the packaging right after this

[00:54:20] and so I'm designing the packaging

[00:54:22] and I'm sending that over to them today

[00:54:24] and hopefully like some of these first shipments

[00:54:27] will be coming out by the end of the month

[00:54:28] and they'll ship from the factory directly to people

[00:54:31] and I just can't wait

[00:54:32] I just wanted to create something that allows you to have a little bit of style

[00:54:36] yeah no kidding

[00:54:37] and I mean these are you know

[00:54:38] the colors are super vibrant

[00:54:40] and you know that they're microphone

[00:54:43] pop filters

[00:54:44] and the color names are totally me they're super stupid

[00:54:46] it's just stuff that I made up

[00:54:48] simply red

[00:54:50] that's from the music

[00:54:52] blue, Hawaii

[00:54:54] pretty and pink

[00:54:56] insanity, orange

[00:54:57] I think that's how I pronounce that right

[00:54:59] yeah orange

[00:55:01] and purple rain

[00:55:03] so the orange is because of

[00:55:06] Holland Netherlands soccer team

[00:55:08] they say orange is the color of insanity

[00:55:10] is kind of the

[00:55:12] the saying for that team

[00:55:14] and back when I was first playing soccer

[00:55:16] Johan Cruyff was the best in the planet

[00:55:18] and I was just in love with that dude

[00:55:20] it was him and Pele

[00:55:20] everybody followed Pele so I gotta be different and follow Johan Cruyff

[00:55:24] and I've been a Netherlands

[00:55:26] national team fan since

[00:55:28] 12 maybe

[00:55:30] 10

[00:55:33] right on

[00:55:34] well

[00:55:36] people go to docmerch.com

[00:55:38] is that the right

[00:55:39] you can do either one

[00:55:40] docpops.com or docmerch.com

[00:55:42] and it's docpops

[00:55:45] P O P P

[00:55:46] I had to do two peas because the regular way

[00:55:49] was taken

[00:55:50] that guy is a chiropractor

[00:55:52] and his name is like Dr. Popovich

[00:55:55] I was like okay dude

[00:55:56] you can keep that one I'm not even gonna bug you

[00:55:58] can't buy it that was just perfect

[00:56:00] I don't know I like it with the two peas

[00:56:02] to be honest I think it gives it a little bit

[00:56:05] of that extra flair it's you know what I mean

[00:56:06] it's it's it forces you to do a little bit

[00:56:09] it's a pop filter it's a pop of color

[00:56:10] and at my age more and more of my friends

[00:56:13] like to call me pops so I can punch them

[00:56:15] so

[00:56:18] well

[00:56:18] docrock you are awesome I've always

[00:56:20] um

[00:56:22] I've worked over the years

[00:56:24] up until last December

[00:56:26] at twit and we were always bringing you on

[00:56:28] twit shows when I was producing the show

[00:56:30] and you're one of my favorite guests all the time

[00:56:32] thank you I just love your personality

[00:56:34] you've got a lightness

[00:56:36] to your being in the world of technology

[00:56:38] that's uh I don't know that I really appreciate

[00:56:40] so thank you for doing what I appreciate

[00:56:43] I appreciate it teaching people

[00:56:44] because you do a lot of instruction you do a lot of teaching

[00:56:46] Jason the thing is

[00:56:48] most people take this stuff way too seriously

[00:56:52] and like I told my students you're gonna go

[00:56:54] produce something and if it

[00:56:56] fails nine times out of ten

[00:56:58] nobody's gonna die

[00:57:00] right so you can just dust off

[00:57:02] and do it again there's no reason to take this

[00:57:04] so serious that it takes the fun out

[00:57:07] you know and

[00:57:08] I watch people getting in full heated

[00:57:10] conversations over xbox versus

[00:57:12] playstation and I'm like really dude

[00:57:14] really I mean

[00:57:16] like just pick one and enjoy it and don't

[00:57:18] yuck the other persons because they don't have it

[00:57:21] you know what I mean

[00:57:22] so even something as

[00:57:24] minutia as the

[00:57:26] android and iPhone I watch

[00:57:28] people getting full heated arguments

[00:57:29] I worked at Apple I'm a hardcore Apple guy

[00:57:32] I've used the Android like twice

[00:57:34] but that doesn't mean I need

[00:57:36] to go and peel your weedies because

[00:57:38] of it like this is a dumb

[00:57:40] thing some like people

[00:57:42] should enjoy tech and I think that's why so many

[00:57:44] people are afraid to get into tech

[00:57:45] is because of the gatekeepers

[00:57:47] sometimes we can act

[00:57:50] a little bit

[00:57:51] uninviting with the stupid

[00:57:54] conversations over green bubbles

[00:57:55] and so that's why

[00:57:57] your friend doesn't want to be in tech

[00:57:59] because we're contangers half the time

[00:58:01] so I just want to be inviting like everybody

[00:58:03] come in and have fun it doesn't matter

[00:58:05] because even all of us nerds

[00:58:08] we all started as the dummy in the bunch

[00:58:09] when I rolled into the store and asked to do what's a

[00:58:12] MIDI he probably laughed under his breath

[00:58:14] too but you know what he did he helped me

[00:58:15] and to this day I know how to use MIDI

[00:58:18] that's right there's that

[00:58:19] set the path

[00:58:20] it's a correct

[00:58:21] right on well I love that message I love that attitude

[00:58:24] around technology there's a lot of

[00:58:26] you know sky is falling and

[00:58:28] you know bad bad feelings

[00:58:30] around technology yet we all

[00:58:32] still are passionate about it we all still love it

[00:58:34] and it's nice to know that there are people out there like yourself

[00:58:36] who are bringing you're keeping

[00:58:38] it fun and enjoyable

[00:58:40] and I put the fun in this functional

[00:58:43] there we go

[00:58:44] that works

[00:58:46] thank you doc it's been so much fun getting to

[00:58:48] know you a little bit more I appreciate you being here thank you

[00:58:50] hello brother

[00:58:52] huge thank you to our guest doc rock so

[00:58:54] great talking with doc and learning a little bit

[00:58:56] about him that I just truly had no idea

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