Owen JJ Stone

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a kid somewhere in Africa with an iPhone 8 that's making better videos than a guy with a red

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Komodo that spent $30,000 on production.

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the Techsploder podcast conversations with tech professionals about being human in a binary world

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: episode 20, Owen JJ Stone. Oh, Doctor

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[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, welcome to the Techsploder podcast. I'm Jason Howell and this is the show where I get to sit down with some of my friends in tech

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and get to know them on a deeper level along the realm of technology and today's guest is no different Owen JJ Stone

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Also known as Oh Doctor. This dude is multi faceted. He's a technology professional wearing many hats over the years. Owen is a consultant

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a speaker, a web developer and yes, a podcaster with a passion for all things technology

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He's hosted several tech podcasts over the years including Doctails and IQMZ Tech

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I became a fan of Owens with his countless appearances on the This Week in Tech podcast over the years when I was producing

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I would bring him on as a guest and oh, he is just super hilarious

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the reasons that I just really adore him. He's smart. He's intelligent

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and he loves Philadelphia sports

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Which he actually podcasts about on the Gritty Nights podcast

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the top of the heap for me is really just the fact that he's wicked smart

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He's always makes me laugh and he's a perfect fit for this show

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's get to it my conversation with Owen JJ Stone also known as Oh Doctor

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh JJ Stone. Oh doctor

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorites so when I was producing twit for as long as I was you were always

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Primarily because for two for two reasons one

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You're super smart and your perspective is always a little different than

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd say the wide majority of people that would come on to the show

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're kind of part of the the standard tech ecosystem and they'd kind of follow a certain path

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is not a bad thing

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, they were very wicked smart and everything

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But you were almost guaranteed to bring a different perspective than most people that were on and two

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You always crack me up

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew when I was put when I was producing twit and sitting in my office and you were on the stage or

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: On the set or you know on your camera or whatever

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That I was going to laugh quite a bit throughout the episode

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So you make me laugh. That's why I love you

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So I appreciate that and I always appreciate you sneaking me in there because it's it twitters one of those things where there's so many

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The reach is so great. I've met so many people

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I've been in random cities and towns and they're like are you oh doctor?

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it cracks me because I'm not the traditional journalist

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the uh traditional tech person like I'm in the tech industry mostly

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Marketing and things like that, but I also do a lot of the tech stuff with social marketing and media and all that kind of thing

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's funny because when I met lisa

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we were at a party a south by southwest

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the same thing like what you just described me as I don't take compliments very well

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But I appreciate you and I thank you and you were just talking to she's like man

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You are you are smart and I'm like, yeah

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like and you're funny like you you're actually like you you make things that we're talking about fun

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're making these she was so bored because you're in a

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You're sitting at a conference and you're listening to people talk about the dumbest thing and we were at the bar just listening to

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the nerds talk and I'm just

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically regurgitating everything they're saying in a fun way

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when she's like I gotta get you on twit. You got to meet leo

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know who leo is i'm like of course

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I know who leo report is and that's why I got on twit

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why when everybody says how did this guy get on twit?

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Is because I am so someone smart

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you are

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I play the game

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know I've heard the jokes a lot, but you know I do know some things and I'm in touch with reality

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The tech bubble is real

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: um, san francisco is real

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And uh, it does warp the way people think about things the way they have to go about their business

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: so um, I like being able to

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Travel to there for work travel to la for work travel to new york work and then come back home

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang out the soccer moms and realize that 90 of them use sam songs. Yeah and ground yourself right back into reality again

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true. I mean i'm surrounded by that world of of the tech bubble

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Although being in pedaluma. I think less so like pedaluma is enough on the outskirts of san francisco and the like south bay and

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: All that that I don't see it as much here

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But still you know i'm within the california tech bubble still to to a certain degree

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So I definitely fall victim to that you you brought up something about fun about fun and technology

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that taps into something that's really been on my mind

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Very recently the last couple of days. I've been thinking about this a lot

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about the current state of technology from that perspective?

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Because when I think of you know being a kid or when I think of you know early internet or whatever like fun was always

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: A part of my fascination and enjoyment with technology

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet now I feel like there's there's such a huge

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like weight kind of weighing down

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: technology what what's your thought on kind of like are people ready to get back into the fun tech zone

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: From this heavy weight that we're in

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think there were ever going to go back to the fun zone again

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are definitely living in the no fun zone and it's

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically because the balance is out of whack right so

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me sound like an old person back in my day

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to talk somebody you had to get on your bike and ride across town

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And you'd see all the bikes in the driveway and if you wanted to call somebody and their mom was on a phone

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You heard a busy signal so you knew somebody was home. You try to go over there

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get called waiting and it's like well, I'll just call and beep them in and get me in

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I know if johnny's there i'm not gonna go all the way over there if johnny's not home

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I got three-way call. I heard you talking about me

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He said something about my dog and now you people are snitching on themselves and

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you get now to the kids are just like they're reading each other's text messages

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: They're in text threads and social media and snapchat. And so all the fun

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Has changed so unless you're playing roadblocks or minecraft and you're at that age

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Of technology being like a wonderment of a video game or a fortnight where you're doing dances and you're having fun

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything after that starts going downhill really quick because you have too much power in your hand

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's nothing there to stop you

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: right

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They said wonderment and at the core of that is wonder and that's what I think is missing as we get older

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: As we get kind of more entrenched in what technology is actually capable of and how it works

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That wonder

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Is removed like I can I can I can point to this weekend actually and had this really cool moment

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: With my older daughter. She's now 14 where she you know, we were just sitting on the couch

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And she pulled out tick tock and she's like you and I are going to do some tick tock's dad

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And she started pulling up, you know all of these like meme songs that like I maybe heard them once or twice

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But she started kind of like instructing me. Okay on this next one

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna say blah blah blah blah

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And we created like five or six and had it just such a good time

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I thought about it, I was like, okay, those are legitimately hilarious

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But if I was to sit down as the old, you know, 49 year old dude and say I'm gonna make some hilarious tick tocks

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the wonder would not be part of that equation. It would be well, how can I make something really funny?

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And it would be out the window, you know

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it it's it's such a finite thing because now kids like I said, it's so it's too much power like

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: When we were kids and if you would have gave if we went back in time

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And you had an Atari and I put a PSP in your hand

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You would lose your like oh you think I was a wizard

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you would think that I was an alien life form

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you give a kid anything and they're like, of course it does that like

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Totally it is what it is bro. Like what what's wrong with you? Like why not you hand them an old rotary phone

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And their brain breaks down like

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they can't connect so it's it's almost exact opposite when you have that much power because everything is made

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: simpler and easier and more accessible and more affordable

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's also a thing back in the day like

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a nintendo when I wanted to play mario brothers and into turtles

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to go down to my cousin's house because he was the first person that I knew that had one

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean like

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And that made it even more special because it was you know, you you didn't have unlimited access to it

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You had to actually go through some effort to get there and now we have in our pockets a device that can literally do that

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And a million other things which is

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing on one hand, but on the other hand like you said it really takes kind of the specialness out of any of those things

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like oh, yeah, it's a swiss army knife. It does it all like nothing surprises me anymore

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love my cousin, but I had to be extra nice to him just so I can get some game time. You know what I mean

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You had to go play the game because it's like hey, bro. This this is mine. This is my nintendo

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: This is my mario like yeah, I'll let you get a board but now you got it

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's so much different dynamics to what's going on because like you said about sitting down and making a funny tiktok

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: There's I tell people all the time when they're like, uh, we're talking about gear

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about gear earlier and how how good we look. I mean, you know

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: handsome older men, but

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a kid somewhere in africa with an iphone 8 that's making better videos than a guy with a red Komodo

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's been 30 000 dollars on production. There is a kid somewhere in africa

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's getting more views and making better videos with an old iphone than he is?

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: rigged out and that's because of creativity

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Availability because when you don't have everything you find a way to make everything work for you

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's that dichotomy of like man, you could do a lot now with a little

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's where you're missing the wonderment. That's where you're missing the fun and the joy

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We have too much access and power. It makes it hard

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no that that that really rings true

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that ties into something else that I've thought of a lot which is

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: In the in the kind of creativity realm around music because I'm you know, I'm a musician when when I find and make the time for it

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But I've been doing this since I was a kid and when I go back to

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the recordings that I made when I was first getting into music production and primarily like recording like I had this

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: four track audio cassette, you know

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Multi-track recorder and I have all these tapes that I recorded at that time all these songs and everything

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I had no experience up until then of doing that

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the music that I created then when I go back to it and listen to it

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you know, it's not very good, but it's really creative like I couldn't even

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't even fake making that music now if I wanted to because I just know too much because I'm too

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Experienced in all these realms and the like innate instant spur of the moment creativity kind of flies out the window

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's what I had then but

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'd be overthinking it

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Just too experienced, you know

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: What kind of cars do you have at the house? What kind of cars is the family drive?

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a we have a gas guzzler and an ev so we have

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Toyota sequoia, which is our like mountaineering vehicle go skiing camping that sort of stuff that

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: A loves gasoline and then we have a tesla model y that we got like three ish years ago before

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Elon went off the deep end

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is this see this is one of the things I don't like about you

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I I know that everyone loves you and they come on your shows and they see you in person

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I've done I've I've made the mistake of tweeting that I love you and I miss you

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I text you happy birthday. Oh, just positive mistake

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But here is the time when I someone's gotta tell you right like okay

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You're such a multifaceted talented guy. Why aren't you?

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Loading up the sequoia sitting in the backseat having a wife show for you around

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: With the kids in the car and you just playing guitar in the backseat on tick time. Why aren't you the sequoia?

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Guitar guy making millions of dollars. Why am I still working?

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Why am I sitting here with you?

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You should be funding me for this idea and you should make it happen. You've got a very large vehicle

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a lovely built-in family. They're on the internet

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You should grab a guitar and sit in the back and play goofy songs and sing things one of them goes viral next thing

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know you're on ellen. I don't even know that's a real shony. What is our wise regular tv?

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Daytime talk shows good morning america and your sensation

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But no you're sitting here with an overweight dude in a black bag talking about technology

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of using those gifts on your back wall

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Could we please get you doing some things that are useful? Let me talk to the kid. Where's the kid?

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I need it. Well, there's 14 year old. That's what I need to talk to

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna put that work

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's in school although she has been telling me she showed me some of the ticktox again this morning

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like dad. This would this would go viral. This would go viral dad. I'm like, yeah

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I doubt that but maybe you know more than I do. I don't know

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think she does and I know that I know more than you do because you know

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a fun thing. I try to tell my daughter because so

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: On a tangent obviously there was a time period where

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you know, we're in the tech business and kids look at us like you don't know anything dad

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, bro

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I literally could go viral anytime I want to and she's like well if you could do it

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Why wouldn't you do it?

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I made a video and I was like I guarantee you just have a million views by the end of the week

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like what I'm like, what do you want to bet?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I bet her a whole lot of chores that she was very upset to do for a month because I ended up with four million views on this video

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like how did you do that?

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well remember when you were on tick tock and you were doing minecraft videos

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got you up to like 300 000 followers

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And she wanted to delete it because all her friends of school were asking her

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: To shout her out on tick tock and she's like, I don't want to do this anymore. It's too much attention

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I sold my tick tock. I'm like, we don't delete it. We sell it. You know, I mean I sort of like five grand

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like somebody will buy this

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I totally very enterprising. I that's one thing I really respect. Yeah, I like nicole and diamond things

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There's all kinds of ways to make a little bit of money, but

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I she's like, well, why don't you do it all the time? Like because to do that

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to end up being the character at your goofy guy

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I don't want to be the dad that pours milk on his head every other video

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be the guy with the catchphrase that says dirt dirt like I just don't want to I could do it

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I could be really good at it. I I'm a funny person. I know what's funny

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to be classified in the thing and have to do the circus act of the same thing all the time

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I make my talking head videos about sports or technology or the podcast because if one or two

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm goes viral here now. I've made those videos go viral two and three million views

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's about a conversation. I'm not going to be stuck in a corner

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: As an eagles fan saying baby baby every three seconds to get on the news

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a good thing. Yeah, that's the thing that people expect from you

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean and that's that's honestly, that's what came to mind when you were giving the wonderful

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but the wonderful sequoia, you know back in the seat playing guitar while we commute to school

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Video idea because when I think about that, I'm like, okay

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's a possibility that something like that might work

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't want to be the guy that that's the thing that I do forever and ever until you know

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I burn out or whatever the case may be

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We get you out of sequoia

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We parlay it to fans and you start showing up live places

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you know for that, but they're not asking to drive a sequoia into the club, brother

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's the sequoia guitar guy. He's up on stage. Where's the sequoia?

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter. We don't need a sequoia. We got him

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He's so playing the guitar because we actually have a skill and a talent as that's the difference

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the difference, you know what I mean

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a and I think about that because there's a guy who is

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: homeless

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And uh when he lost his home last year

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He was he was making music in his house

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he had to start making music in the car because he got evicted

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And there is a thing to where like because he was homeless and he needed help that more people followed him or whatever

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But it also made him hone in on his music where he's like, this is my escape. I'm in the car

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: All I could do is make music to give me something to do because he was obviously still working and

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to save up money for like hotel rooms to snap sometimes from place to sleep

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But he was like I have to do all my free time of sitting this car and make music

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So he did so and he started recording it

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, he also got better because he was doing it more often for sure

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So there is there are multiple layers. So besides just being I'm going to do this in the car

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's uh, you have to have a skill too. You have to have something so

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I probably would need to play these guitars a heck of a lot more before I launched that idea to be honest

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're getting a lot of action these days. Oh, they're not they're they're they're beautiful prop behind you now

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You live a whole different lifestyle now. So yeah, yeah, it's it's a different lifestyle one thing

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: so for those who are unfamiliar with you outside of twit one thing you

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You do a lot it seems is you do marketing for other people. Where where does that skill set come from?

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you just is is that from your entrepreneurial mind because I consider you an entrepreneur?

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Or are you it seems like you have a lot of ideas?

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And you follow those ideas and many times they're very unique and you know as with every

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Entrepreneur sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn't but it seems like you're you've got a marketers mind. Where does that come from?

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: so uh

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Fun story if you have kids just get rid of the kids

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: When I was in high school

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: As like a junior, I believe I was

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I did a

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: sex survey

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a front and back survey 50 questions for girls 50 questions for guys

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I passed it around in school and everybody did the survey and the survey was like

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I got I almost got in trouble. I signed my name in wingdings

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And one girl ratted me out and the principal called me down to the office

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And uh, they called my dad and they're like well, uh, we know that mr. Stone is the one giving out these surveys

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we we need we need to do something about this and my dad's like

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you see him giving out surveys? No

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like all right. Well, where are the surveys at? Well, we need you here so we can go check his locker

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So you go to my locker. There's no surveys and my dad's like, well, let me talk to my son

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And he talks to me. He's like you did this right? I'm like, yeah

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like that's your name in wingdings. I'm like, yeah

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to know that because my dad was a technology person

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I didn't check because my dad was uh, I'm I'm odoc to my dad

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Lovingly enough changed his twitter handle to pop a doc in respect for his son

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Love it. Love it. Uh, uh good dad. Yeah, good dad and he's like he's like, well, I know it's your name because

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: My name is oan jj stone and the two wingdings symbols in the center were double icons

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like that says jj stone, right? And i'm like, yeah, he's like, all right

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Principal comes back and he's like, well, you know how any proof my son did it? He didn't do it. I don't care

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Fast forward that to my senior year somebody has sent that to maxim

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then maxim started doing surveys online and

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I got in touch with someone in their marketing department and they're like, oh make us surveys

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And i'm like sure and they paid me 100 bucks to make sex surveys

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I did that for like a year and i'm like man, they're paying me just to ask

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Preverted questions. This is cool. And then you see it in maxim and I try to tell people that it was my idea

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Know to believe me and i'm like

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care they're paying me and it's cool

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: so, uh that part laid into

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: learning how to code and

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: making um

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: audio players and put them on myspace and making uh online games back when flash was still a thing and

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Making those for small businesses and local businesses because they everybody wanted to audio player

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody wanted flash. Everybody wanted flash as bad as it could be

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Had time so early on it was pretty exciting, you know, that's that it was great

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was actually amazing and uh, I partnered up with uh my

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Still my friend now he works for a lot keyed martin now, but he's super smart. He is oh man

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh teamed all my buddy and he started writing more code for me because he was so much better than me

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And we started inquiring minds media and we were making websites for people and that's kind of how it started

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and then that turned into

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Marketing and development and social media came out and it was like oh social media and so

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We were we were doing all kinds of different things for money for making

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Audio players and video games for my spaces for businesses where you'd go in and you just for attention retain

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: attention retainment

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Stuff where it's just like oh anything to keep people on the page and we would make custom things for people

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was like man. You're making money sitting at home playing games and listening to music. This is great

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so that that's kind of how the business part of it started. So I've been doing this since like 2001

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and we were doing all kinds of fun stuff like at that point we that was back in

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We were still we were still in college to actually drop out of college. We were still in college

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: we were

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: buying dvds from best buy

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Buying cd cloners and we were selling dvds at the school. Everybody came to us for movies

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We're selling movies for five dollars a piece

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We were making money on top of money on top of money because we were the only nerds out here doing stuff

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So no entrepreneurial thing. You're right and I was always finding ways to like

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: People did not do something. Oh, I could do that and it's still that way today like people ask me

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what do you do? And I'm like, well, what's the problem?

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what your problem is because one or two things happens either

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I know how to do that or I know someone who can do it and I could point you in the right direction

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of my business or job is

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Diverting other work to other people and somebody said to me like oh, well

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you ask for commission or something like that?

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like whenever I do that it comes back to me because if I give someone else work for something

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do when they think of me they'll think of me finally and say well he might he could do this

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me give him this so

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I have my life that way and it's it's worked out knock on wood pretty much

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that's smart

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Not super smart. That's a that's a smart kind of process

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know direction to go into to have the foresight that maybe

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's a long term or a long tail to this

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of people

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Have short-term thinking when it comes to something like that and I and I just like being adaptable

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I'm not I don't like to just throw out the hole. I've got ADHD or whatever

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do get bored doing the same thing like I do photography videography

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh website development like all the things I do but sometimes I don't feel like

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Shooting the pictures and I'm like, oh here's a great photographer. He'll do it for you

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? And then the same thing though come on. Yeah, I need a second shooter. Sure. No problem

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean, so it's it is a

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: basis of I like doing multiple things I like doing different things and

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It keeps me interested in the things that I am doing

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And it also keeps me working with good people

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I've I've been very lucky that I haven't had too many

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Bad clients or people that I didn't like or haven't had repeat business from or haven't wanted to work with again

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: One pro tip for business people out there in the world when you're doing consulting work or or marketing and things like that

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes having your name on it doesn't matter as much as getting the work done

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I I would always be like, oh well you could take my name off of it

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: for 20%

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So how that works out great for me is that if the campaign goes great

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That company gets to take credit for it, right? And they're like, oh we did that

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But if they want more business, they'll come back to me knowing that they'll get to keep the credit

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if it goes bad because you know, so I'm not perfect sometimes

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, what I think is funny might not be funny or might not work because bad. Hey, my name's not on this

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got the little commission on top of it too. So it does work out

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There you go

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: No the ways and I tell people that right in front till like

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's flops, you know, don't don't put my name on it afterwards either

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: All right real quick. We're gonna take a quick break and come back with more with odoctor

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned your dad and being kind of like a positive technology influence. I'm curious to hear a little bit about that

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: did he um

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Did he kind of expose you to technology when you were younger? And if so, like what what did that look like?

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: so, um

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything that like you know about me, which is not the world

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But in general everything you would say about me or think about me. I'm exactly like my father my father and I

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: person

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Papa doc

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I I tried to explain to my daughter the other day. I said she's like, oh my friend think I'm so funny

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, because how many of my jokes are you telling?

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And she said I don't use your jokes and I waited like a week. She tells me a story and I'm like

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that sounds similar to like stuff that I say

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You're laughing at my jokes and you're just giving it to new people

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said don't be mad. I was like because I did the same thing, you know, I mean like my dad was a kind of guy

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: when my friends would come over he

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Make me get up and go make him a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just so we could say would you do go to china to make the sandwich it took you so long to make the sandwich

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like he would bust my balls in front of people

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I don't get asked about this a lot and I'll tell you

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: My dad was like when I was younger he was an air force and uh

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a tech guy kind of like he loved music and he always had like the latest player

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And he always had a fancy car and he had an Atari before anybody else had an Atari

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the first thing that I remember the 2600 time assuming yes, and then there was a time period where

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He was uh again in the air force single

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: With me at two years old and my grandfather said

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You're a single man. He shouldn't be living on the base. Give me your kid

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to go live with my grandparents for like six or seven years till my grandfather passed away

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I go move back here with my dad. My dad's got a new family

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I live with them for like four years. This is cutting through to get to technology as quick as way possible

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Then my dad in the four years when he came back and got me he was fine

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of that he got into a car accident. He got hooked on drugs

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He went to jail

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Quick cold turkey in jail

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He apologized for going to jail and he said when I get out, I'm never going back to jail

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not I'm not going to do this again

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And I had to go live with my aunt and while he was in jail

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He signed up for a program before this. He was a mechanic. He was an engineer in the air force

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So he fixed jets and planes and he was on aircraft carriers so like that

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But he heard his hand in the car accident

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what got him hooked on the painkillers which turned him into having getting drugs

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can't work with my hands anymore to fix

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Engines or cars or something like that like my hands don't work that way

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So he got into a technology program in jail in the halfway house

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And he took a computer class

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He passed it and then he went out and went to like

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I just see tech or whatever it was

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and uh

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He aced that and some company gave him a job right out of that school while he was still in the halfway house

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And he started working at a computer plant. It was actually called copy doc

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Then next thing you know, I'm getting

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Homebuilt computers, you know, I got my first tandy. I was the first kid in high school

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I had the

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Electric typewriter so everybody's coming to my house because you'd actually see what you're typing

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can actually like edit it

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's back before you hit enter and then it prints out the last line or whatever

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. So I mean everybody's just had a regular typewriter. So they're like, oh man, you got this

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and then um

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: A year after having that and everybody coming over my dad

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: built me a computer

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And uh, it was like an old tandy or something and he hooked up and again when you when you have a computer

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else has one. It's freaking cool. You got dial up. Absolutely

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I can only do three things with it

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to figure out what I can do what games I can play

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And then after that it was every year. I got a new computer for my birthday and um

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And was it built by him like every year like that was part of his job was building these these machines

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he spent he spent like two years at that job

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he started his own business and he just was working at schools and other companies and you have built schools computers

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You have built businesses computers

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he built them for churches like that. Uh, never went back on drugs

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Work for himself

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he would uh, he moved to north carolina. He would come up and see me

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He would come spend a month or two at a time and I'm like, man

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to be able to work for yourself

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You can just take off work whatever you want because his client

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a great. I mean like I said like when I say like

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything I am he is like when we'd go out like we would kill like it's like a walking comedy show with the both of us there

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, he would do what he wanted. I was like man

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: People love him like he could leave work

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: For two months and people would wait for him and wouldn't let anybody just touch their computers with him

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they were so loyal to him and how he was and I was like

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not he actually ruined me for school because I was going to go to college

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I was in the middle of college and I started seeing him more and more do his own thing and I'm like

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to school anymore. I'm gonna go travel. He's like what like I got opportunity to go to china to germany like

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Places and and I just like, you know what? I'm gonna go travel when I come back home

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, I want to try to do my own thing. I tried to go down to work with him for a little while

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I learned a lot but at the same time it was that whole

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a young man. You're my dad. I don't have to listen to you kind of thing going on

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I of course

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So that lasted for like a year, but I did learn a lot. Like I said, I was with him building computers putting stuff together

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It just made me you learn so much about not only just putting things together

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But the relationships that you have like back then it was you went down to your little computer store

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And you had guys that were buying stuff in bulk and you'd have a relationship where it's like, okay

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, let me get this and that and bundled together and then they would be like, oh

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're building these let me give you a deal and I'm just watching him work his magical people and people being so happy

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: with the service he's done because

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: When you call tech support back then it was like man, he was funny. He was fun

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He made everything about computers fun

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know, I could do that

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And so like I said, it just parolated and other things for me

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Where I I had a different kind of interest but all my interest of that came from him

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And that came from him having to find something else to do

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like I was a mechanic he's like

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to put in a motherboard than it is

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: My hands don't work anymore. I can't I can't work with like an engine. He's like but we're gonna the computer like

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I'll snap in some memory. Like what is this?

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's still assembly. It's still

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's still some sort and it's still the same kind of mind process

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: which is what right he loved the most about it because you're figuring out what it is

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Power supplies it a short here or there the sequins or are pin missing in this

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was all kinds of things you just get to learn

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And um, he was he was the first

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He got me my first mac and he was upset about it

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Now was it now? Was it a mac or was it a like a uh

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: A what why am I suddenly blanking a uh

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_02]: A built mac that he put that he built himself. He's

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Made hackintoshes. He would never he never bought a mac uh until he bought me an iMac like the first iMac that came out

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: um, and he is like because again, he literally

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: from

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: 96 to

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Damn

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost till my daughter was born

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So like 15 years 16 17 years in a row. I got a new computer every year for my birthday

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Every year I got and he would just take the old one back and sell it to somebody else because it was still

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: A year old. Yeah, it was just a year old totally year old

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So uh, he would yeah, he was making himself hackintoshes and I think it's like right when I was like really getting into photography

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and um, I had a dslr and you know

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Vovo blah blah and it's like say I'll just try these this is better for

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know your photography and it was it was faster

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And the screen it was really about the screen the screen was so beautiful

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Compared to the stuff you were buying and it was just all in one and I could

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Create it. Yeah, I could pick up everything and take my monitor with me

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Which was you know, not and it was more powerful than a laptop because you know, I was had laptops, but right yeah

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He uh, yeah, he he it took it was like two years after that

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he got finally got himself a tower, but he never he was just making hackintash

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times he's always called me look look is the same thing. It's got more power though. Look at it

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, but what doesn't work. He's like well right now this this this don't work

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But everything else is working

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything is great. Do you really need those things anyways? I mean seriously come on

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have any sound dad. You can't play audio in here like what do we do?

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Look how fast it is like it's they couldn't make anything this fast, you know, so

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It was uh, that was that's a good memory. That's funny

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was awesome. He was mr. Hackintosh. He's like he's I'm never buying out

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm never spending my money because when you build something it's still to this day

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a max studio over there. Yeah and um

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I do all my have what you want it. Yeah. Yeah, I do all my editing on it right now and I love it and it's great

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but I also have this

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: friggin seven series amd

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Thread shredder and it's still amazing like I do all my production stuff on here like my camera and everything else is on here

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because it just

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Works and I can plug everything into it works. Yeah, I plug everything into it like my studio. I'm like

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I got the extended base on there. I kept them. It's just it's a different workhorse

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Different different uses so and I built my daughter PCs like she has a mac laptop and an iphone

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's about as much as she gets but um, now does she does she know also how to how to build a computer?

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Is she I have kind of sat with you on that father. No, well, I certainly haven't done that either

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So here I

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: She does failed as father. Yeah, she did care

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But my thought process was is like computers are so cheap anymore. Oh, yeah

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I was

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a tower in there right now that i'm about to settle my friend

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's only because i'm an idiot because I should just want to buy something

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And would have saved myself time the only thing he's

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Getting better is hard drive more memory with me

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they always try to rip you off on those two things for sure they knew yeah, but

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He could have he could have went to best buy and got that same system built

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean again the hard drive would have more fluff on it

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean it wouldn't have been as a clean install

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There are a few benefits to having that and especially with a kid like

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: She plays the sims and the minecraft and the roadblocks stuff like that still even though she's 17

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it doesn't have I don't have any bloatware on there and that that's the biggest thing about it

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like anything else you can go buy this thing. You don't need to learn how to do it

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: What I have taught her how to do is

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_01]: um, I've taught her for I'm teaching her photography right now

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So she has a uh very small canon r50 dslr in a 35 millimeter lens. I'm teaching her how to just shoot

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And outside her phone because as a teen she she like I said

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There's an ass guy here your your kid cries shoot better stuff the weekend a lot of stuff they shoot they know

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's learned editing and all that kind of stuff just from having her phone and doing that

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, okay now you need to learn how to use the actual camera. You need to learn

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: settings iso like it just trust me you just need to know it so I have done that

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But um as far as the building of computers I have not but I have told her

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and taught her what

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Matters most memory and space

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And does she does she enjoy technology like in this kind of modern more modern paradigm?

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Is she would would you consider her a technology fan the same way that you were when you were younger?

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I would consider her a renaissance person. She's weird

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She shops at thrift stores

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she listens to all of my music like when I like oh you should check out nirvana. She's like, okay

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I play her like wonder about an album next thing. I know I'm looking at our playlist and she's downloaded

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Every single album and she's awesome. Like the other day. Yeah, she was the other day. She was wearing an outcast shirt

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: This shirt. I know is 30 years old

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, where did you get this shirt? And she's like, oh, I saw it in a thrift store and I bought it for two dollars and I'm like

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like all right. So she's very very vintage

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, mindset about that. So she she uses technology. She likes technology

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She understands it. Um, she knows how to get around it. You know what I mean? Like, um, yeah

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So it but it's not her. It's not like how I was like that's what I'm talking about wonder man, bro

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too too much accessibility. Like she has the napalm of her hands like

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: She knows more about snapchat now than I do and I and I try to teach people where for work

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And let me check on my kid

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: What?

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like two or three months ago. I was trying to show a girl how to use

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Um snapchat and I was trying to show her something on instagram

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just so happened she has android now i'm primarily the iPhone

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do have android test phones and I guess they did an update that week

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I picked up her phone and i'm trying to tell her how to and i'm like what

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are the buttons backwards? Where's the this isn't how it's supposed and I felt stupid

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like an idiot. I'm like, I'm sorry. Just give me like two minutes to look look through this and she's looking at me like

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And updated last week. I'm okay. Okay, because I'm telling you this is not how it used to look

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And they changed everything and I was like just that quickly

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You could be out of the loop. You know what I mean? Yeah

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially not using android every day

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: When something changes like if having an iphone I would have saw it immediately

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I've had to uh definitely had to enlist my daughter to kind of explain some of the UI of

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Of instagram especially and you know tick tock

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They they kind of have their little or snapchat. Sorry

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, they they have their little secret language that you know

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually I was just noticing the other day watching her kind of maneuver through through the UI and it's total second nature

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure she and her friends have all talked about these things or or it's just intuitive to them

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And because I've spent so little time on there compared to

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Twitter or threads or whatever, you know, I'm just I'm not part of the the gang anymore

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I'm not part of the crew. Do you please the internet in your household?

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like their devices

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Police them well, are you are you are you kicking open the door randomly on a tuesday at 3 30 and saying give me your

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Phone and going through it

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No, we're not doing that. Um

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Not not explicitly in the way that you're describing we

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about it a lot and we do talk about kind of all you know

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And we have for years about the things to watch out for that, you know

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Addiction to technology and kind of the the the feeling of the need to be on it

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of the hooks that they put into there

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know some of the foibles of private messaging and everything we have a very open conversation with

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially our older daughter our youngest daughter. She's 11. She's still doesn't have an iphone, you know

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So we we've kind of got her still restricted to a certain degree

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But we have some of these conversations with her too, but especially with our 14 year old

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very open conversation and I'd say to this point

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We haven't been met with a moment where we feel we need to

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Not trust what we're discussing with her at the same time. We do have the access and she knows that

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have the access we've rarely needed to use it, but never once in a while. Yeah

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You seem like scared straight

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've yeah

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Seen it. I can never watched it right so I I've I've put my daughter through a scare straight program when it comes to the internet

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She's had a phone her own phone since she was six

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the the dichotomy of growing up in a separated household. Um, I just wanted my own line of communication

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Until this last phone for eight years. She's never dropped or lost a cell phone, which I could say is better than most adults

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So as far as the phone's concerned even with all of her friends, which they

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Trust me explicitly so many parents are shocked like I can like when I was coaching our team

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And the girls would be in the dugout with their phone

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I take their phone and just take them out of her hand

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And just walk away with it and parents are like she lets you take her phone and I'm like

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, told them don't have it out in the dugout. Like she's like I can't take her phone

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what do you mean? You can't take her phone. You pay for the phone

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It totally

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like no now these kids know that too. I'm not going to be like looking through their phone

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Or if I did see something I'm not going to be like, oh my god. I know your kids

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I get it. So my daughter knows like I'll take her phone out of her hand and go look through her phone

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Randomly, I don't do it so much anymore because she is older now when she was younger

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: One time a guy was sitting there trying to get her to

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Sell pictures or a feat to him, you know what I mean? And I was like when somebody says something like this

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you do? She's like, oh, I blocked them. I'm like well next time bring it to me

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So I can send them fake pictures of feet take his $500 and then report them and then block them

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now's we got to get the money for it

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, we gotta get the money for it

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We gotta get the money for it

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This man has to learn a lesson you creepo

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. Hey, that's a that's a valid point if you suddenly these out $500 and he's got pictures of your feet

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I thought I talked about a different story. I taught a guy lesson. He learned he learned a day

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh that anyway, but um, so

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It it's amazing to me

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: How many parents don't know what's going on with their kids and good kids like my daughter's got good kids

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Good friends, whatever I would just

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I get this from my dad

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I used to have a journal my dad used to sneak in my room at night and read my journal

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So you act like he wasn't reading it but he would read it

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And he would read it at night because during the dad hide it

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But at night I have it in my room. He'd sneak in my room when I was dead asleep. I caught him on time

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing? I'm reading a little notebook here. So anyway, I'm going on my daughter's phone

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's two o'clock in the morning

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Her girl's messaging her all this kind of stuff now

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: She happens to be the daughter of like one of my best friends and I'm like

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't you say she keeps being late for school? She was late getting up for school like two times last week

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like she turns out. I know why yeah, she's up in the middle of the night on her phone

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what are you talking about? I was like bro. He's like, oh she goes to bed

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Two o'clock like I'm just telling you she's on her phone

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And he had to like tell I hate leave your phone outside the room because most parents don't check up on their kids

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't see what they're talking about and I'm like there's kids out here

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm I'm literally telling her you know tell your friends to stop posting this stuff

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to apply for colleges and go to school and they

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Is a hidden secret place

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Screen recordings are using double phones to record and she's like, oh

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that you know, but I'm like we notice kid. This is a good kid

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a moron right now like tell him to stop this

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And so sometimes she would tell them some kids will listen some wouldn't but I'm like

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing to me what kids are out here doing on these phones

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like self incriminating and I'm like and again generally good kids none of these kids are out here

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean doing anything crazy, but

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They have again so much access and so much power and so much

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Look at me. I'm cool and I'm doing this and I'm like well

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the ability to reach the world immediately. It's yeah. Yeah, it's so much bigger than we had when we were kids

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean if you messed up you were the town drunk you mess up here

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You're the town the town meme for a year. Yeah, potentially

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, potentially that's a label that follows you around because you were a successful meme doing something horrible

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, aren't you the guy aren't you the guy? Oh god. Yeah

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's uh, yeah

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Just just just kicking the door every once in a while. Just just shake her up

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You ain't gotta terrorize just randomly on a Tuesday. Let me check your phone real quick

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Just you know, you gotta rattle the ground a little bit

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: How many emails you got?

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We do ensure that the phones are kept out of the bedroom and um, so you know downstairs is the place that the air cap

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a little challenging station. That's the one thing I didn't do because

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like she

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: She's listening to podcasts when she goes to sleep and music and all that kind of stuff and again

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I I didn't even think about the whole being up at night. Just no just you know, like you said having to access like yeah

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Her friend's messaging her and she's asleep and I asked her like

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: At night and she's like on the weekends I am so she's used to just talking to me

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like and I can see if she wasn't answering her but I'm like man

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: She's messaged you a lot at night like as she's yeah

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Because nobody's up and she's one of the kids that has a phone

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay all this stuff starts making sense to me

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like if I just had it

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I keep it separate with so many other things like you can't do it in the car

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Which now she's driving

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Which makes me feel so much better about her whole life like her friends would get in my car

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And she would tell them. Oh, you can't use your phone while my dad's driving and they're like what?

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, hey, we don't use the phones in the car while he's driving

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they would tell their parents he wouldn't use my phone and I'm like

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we're driving. So it's just an automatic thing when we're in a car. No phones

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We listen to the music we talk to each other

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: When I'm when I'm at the grocery, I'm not an uber driver. Yeah

[00:45:59] Yeah

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: If if I'm sitting in the car we're waiting like in the parking lot or something

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get on your phone hop on your phone when the car is in motion no phones. So now when she's driving

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: She even tells her friends like hey, you don't I don't want to hear

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Tick tocks blaring in my ear while I'm driving. I don't want to yeah be distracted by that

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, we'll listen to music together or whatever, but don't do that

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's just programmed to do that one on her phone. Oh, it's it's

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I used to have comic books in the back seat and her and her friends would just read the comic books

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Why we're driving like give them something to do because you know, sometimes they don't listen to music

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was just so funny because when they got older

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: She would just check them like hey, you can't use your phone on my car and they hit the girls would hate it

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how girls are because they they want to be texting each other in the back seat instead of talking out loud

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They want to text about whatever they want to talk about and i'm like, right no phones in the car

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because believe me history has shown

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That there is plenty of time for you to check that stuff on your phone

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like literally every other minute is the time apparently yeah, but there that's a really great habit

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that that kind of reminds me of just like the you know

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's a far less issue now than it was even when I was a kid

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But the whole habit of wearing a seatbelt when you get in a car

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: There was there was definitely a time there where a lot of people just were not in the habit of that

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was a hard habit to to commit to in my family from day one

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It was always a thing so it was never an issue like it's never been a thing throughout my life because it's just the way

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's always been

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: If you make that kind of you know

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Bring that over to the phone while driving. That's a really great habit to instill. I like that a lot

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Dinner table no phone in the car

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's when we do just certain things that just make you put the phone down

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah when you watch kids and they're just like raging out because you're taking a towel away from them

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like that's bad parenting you post them on the internet to make them look like bad kids

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're the one that gave them their children. They didn't buy for themselves

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have the internet like you're all the things that you're trying to shame these kids online for

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I instantly think about bad parenting. I'm like, yeah

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I've established a dependency of some sort and the kids throwing a tantrum. Okay, cool

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The kids are punk, but it's not his fault. It's not their fault. It's your fault. You're the adult like yeah, absolutely

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also and also at the same time

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Parenting in the digital age is really really difficult. It is difficult because of the access. It's difficult because of the

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: um, just just how

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: How much of life is built around technology?

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many carons on the internet telling you how to be a good parent. How hard could it be?

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It was advice around every corner. I

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I rarely do my podcast raising a ninja

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and people love it like let me tell you something

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I I think I've only done like 13 or 14 episodes of this but I didn't do one for like four years

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I put an episode out. It got more attraction than the stuff

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be doing with my text though and people just want it and the only reason I waited is because

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to graduate high school. I don't want her to have to deal with like

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_01]: The punk kids in school or somebody who doesn't like her because we talk crazy. I talk crazy

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, she wants to tell her little stories. So I'm like look I like I've

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I've not done it for so long because I don't want a caring or somebody outside

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Making something go viral and then you're involved for this kid being the suddenly here

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: A night insta girl or whatever. So I just haven't done it but

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't wait to tell people how to be a good parent. I'm gonna write my book how to raise a ninja

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell people I know it'll be I raised a ninja

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And look I can prove it. She ain't dead. She ain't killed nobody yet

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's your murder somebody today. So if I watch the 18 now, you know what I mean? I did my part

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm excited to be one of those people to tell people how to raise their kids and

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's obvious from the outside looking into your life in the ways that you

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Do choose to share your life and your relationship with her and everything that you are you're an awesome parent

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You're an awesome dad. I'm trying my best to be like you minus 3000. You got too many kids

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I only got the one she'd drive me crazy. You know what I mean?

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I had two are

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Double if I doubled it doubled it. Yeah

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey look look after two you might have 16. You know what I mean?

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's you in the way. I don't know about that. You chance to survive. You know what I mean?

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's only I'm single now. So they want to be I only have one kid. There's two of them. They dumped me

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: They hang up on your boy. So, you know

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I appreciate that it's it's funny because like we've known each other so long

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: A weird dichotomy because how the internet works, right? Like we don't live anywhere near each other

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We actually have never really like gotten to hang out a lot in personal interactions other than like at the

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Work event type thing, but we get to see each other's family through

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The and you see them grow up and you and you look at them. You're looking at birthdays. I'm like

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The way I don't know if your mind works this way

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But the way my mind works is the first time I like if you're like, oh, I have kids

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The first time I see them

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Is how I always see them if I met your daughter when she was 16

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She's always going to be 16 to me. She'll be 32 now. I'm like she's 16

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She's four they're always four and I'm just like, oh my god, the kids are getting so big and I'm like it's so

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy because through the internet. It's like a

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: They were six

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Now they're eight. Like what happened? I mean life's grown a lot in like two years like every day

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't see them every day. So it's like

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The explosion of the growth and uh, the matrisms and and the mannerisms that they carry and you know, it's

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's an awesome neat thing

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: When you're have internet friends and you watch people grow up through the internet. It's such a oh totally

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an insane prism to look at a family of people that like you like and you care about like man

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_01]: These kids don't even know i'm alive, but I know them. I know what they're into their dad talks about them

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean it's such a weird that's a weird thing. That is that was talking about the internet. That's a weird

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Thing because again back in the day, I wouldn't happen, right?

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: No in your town if you didn't see him at the local soccer thing or to act me

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't know those kids you'd be like, oh well

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Jason, you know, I work with him one time he lives over there. I wrote him a letter

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's got two kids. I don't know what they look like. I don't know their name

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: See them five years later and you know, my goodness your kids have grown because you have none of that inter

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of kind of in in between

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes of seeing oh that them at that soccer game three years ago or whatever that kind of sets the stage

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kids are kids are like the a time machine

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They really are and you watch as they progress, you know

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it's not your own kids but other kids and you watch how fast that happens

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a it's a stark reminder that we are all just getting older

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the reality

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my people, you know, again, I do talk about my daughter a lot. So people always ask me about it

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, actually doesn't even care about me anymore. You know what I mean? Like she's got a license

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She's got a car

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know all the things that I obviously don't want to have to do anymore

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't take her to the beach

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Out of the sitting sand in the sun if I don't want to like

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because kids don't

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Realize it until they get older

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The like and especially with her being an only child. She doesn't have any siblings

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So I always took her around or the kids like I'd always have like five or six kids with me

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I would borrow people's vans so I could take

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Four or five of the kids to the park and they're gonna be like, oh my god, please take them, you know

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, you know, and I'm sitting there and I'm looking at her and I'm like, you know, nobody does this

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right? Like people don't take pick up extra kids

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But I would do that for you because you're a you're a single kid

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to have that experience. I want you to have friends

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to have and I was like, I don't want to do any of this

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't want to do it

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing it for you. I'm I'm a whale

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that I want to be out here throwing you balls in the hot sun so you can get batting practice?

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I really don't you think I want to walk two and a half miles to the water

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh a wild woods so you could go make

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Punk sand castles that aren't even fun. I don't I don't but I would do it

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I do it for you

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think there's a part that does I think it's probably a part that does

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, you know

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, man. I'm bad with these kids. Hey, hello. So uh again. Yeah of the kids when they give me the

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Secret see it's late in the show now. We'll find out who actually listens if somebody yells at me. So

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: When I when I would take a whole bunch of kids with me, right?

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: What I would call it is a preemptive strike and I would tell their parents too

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So when you get in my car

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I pluck the kids in the forehead

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They they come to my car. They put their head down. I pluck them. They get in the car

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I hit you for no reason when they started you didn't do anything wrong

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Do not act up because I hit you for nothing. So if you get out here

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I will hit you

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a preface

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny now because now that lia's older

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: She fully understands because like when she meets bad kids

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She plucked them and it's like it zaps them right off

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like because you don't want to beat a kid

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to hit a kid, but she's like just doing that sets their mind to he might actually hit me

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So when we go places, I remember one time we went to um, I took her and her friends to go swimming

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I told them I was like, oh

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take you to mcdonald's afterwards and then I'll take you guys home

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know once you tell the kids something uh, you done told them, right? Yeah, they were all like four

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And um, the kid's dad was like, oh, you know bring them back home bring lia over. I'm i'm barbecuing

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what just bring them back home so we can eat and I was like, all right

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, uh, we're just going back to the house your dad's cooking. So he told us me to bring you back to eat

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You told us we were going to mcdonald's your dad's like he's not taking his time

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And i'm like if I pulled his car over everybody in his car is getting beat

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And lia looked at them. She's like he hit you for no reason my dad is not playing

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Just stop he we're on the highway

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it and they all sat there. He was sad. They fell asleep in the car

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And we got there

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like now you now you tell these kids why they didn't get their mcdonald's because I was gonna take them and their dad told them

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like wow, yo, yo and him. I was like, hey look look i'm just saying I didn't have to do nothing

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you have to strike boy, they

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know that's that's some kids straight. So just any parents out there. You know, I mean like I said when they lose

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Bow that that's nothing but to that

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a startle enough. I suppose

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Shoxter system

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's one of my that's one of my pro parenthesis is going to be in my book how I raised a ninja pluck them

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Love it. That might be that love it. Pluck them

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, talk talk to jeff jarvis. He'll he'll tell you how to how to publish and find an agent for the book

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure I will you can make that work for you

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh and such a great time hanging out with you

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so happy that we got the chance to

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: To catch up a little bit and talk a little bit about tech

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I learned something

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know a few things new about you that I didn't know before thank you for

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Telling me about what what tech was like when you were younger. That's awesome

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me on I apologize for making this probably the worst episode to talk about tech possible

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But I did that on purpose

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to ruin and tank this show because again, you're out here with your highfalutin high fancy cameras

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're trying to be like me. You're trying to steal my identity and I won't have it

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So the least I could do is come in here and ruin this episode for the people

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know everyone who's watching write him an angry email

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell him if he ever does anything like this again, you're hopping off. You're not subscribing

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, tell him about himself make Jason understand that he can't get away with this. He can't do it. Look at that boat

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at that natural boat

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing. You know what you basically did Owen you came onto my show and you binked me on the forehead

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's basically what you did. Hey look look at this. See now you see now you see what I'm talking about

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you having me

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Ask me only anything else to I'll do anything just ask me. I'm here for you. You know what I mean?

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not busy

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for you

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. Oh doctor. Oh and JJ stone appreciate you. Where do you want to send people if people want to find all the stuff you're doing?

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: com is still the best thing to do

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're into tech, I'm trying so hard to be consistent with my tech show

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I really am but in the world technology sometimes it's so boring and again

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I try to make it fun, but uh if you go on the youtube

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Qmz anyway go to iqmc.com. It's on there. I do a show randomly. I'm trying to do it. I believe myself

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna do it

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe you too

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Owen. Appreciate you huge. Thank you to our guest

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh and JJ stone always great to get to catch up with him and things do often

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Veer into the realm of family and technology when I talk to him

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just we're in very similar paths in our life. I suppose

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

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