Sarah Lane

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[00:00:38] Hello everybody and welcome to the Techsploder podcast. I'm your host Jason Howell and today I am energized

[00:00:45] I had a fantastic weekend in the woods

[00:00:48] Did some work like just feel all energized and ready to talk openly with a really cool person

[00:00:56] Someone who I've worked with a lot over the years, Sarah Lane. She's a veteran technology media personality

[00:01:04] I'm sure you've heard of her with over two decades of experience

[00:01:07] Sarah has been I would say a pretty notable figure in online but also offline video

[00:01:14] Technology journalism she hosted the screen savers and attack of the show on tech TV

[00:01:20] Before you know video on the internet was really a thing as that changed Sarah worked at revision 3

[00:01:27] She worked at the twit podcast network

[00:01:30] I worked with her there pretty closely and tech crunch where she produced and hosted countless shows also managed the team there

[00:01:37] The video team today you can actually find Sarah every day

[00:01:40] Co-hosting the Daily Tech news show as well as the hilarious have such a good day show

[00:01:47] I highly recommend you check that out and even more recently Sarah launched the Apple vision show podcast

[00:01:53] Where she discusses all things Apple which is very a pro apropos

[00:01:58] Because this is Apple's biggest product week of the year. So without further ado

[00:02:03] Here's my conversation kind of in process as we join it with Sarah Lane, you know

[00:02:08] It's kind of like some of the other podcasts that you do. I know that you do the

[00:02:12] Have such a good day where you have the opportunity to just like talk about things that aren't like locked into the tech news cycle and

[00:02:22] Yeah

[00:02:24] You know anything at all in that regard right? Not at all. No

[00:02:30] It's just honestly my friend Heather Frank who's also my co-host

[00:02:36] She lives up in Humboldt County in California, which is not anywhere near LA County where I am

[00:02:42] and we haven't been in the same place for many years and

[00:02:46] We started the podcast when we were neighbors and we were like, yeah, you know, it was a video podcast. It was so easy

[00:02:53] and

[00:02:54] Then you know life moved around and we sort of said yeah

[00:02:59] We can't be in the same room anymore. So let's just make it audio

[00:03:03] And it's like our weekly hangout sash that is a show also

[00:03:09] It's great because it's like I want to hang out with my friend. So

[00:03:15] Guaranteed for an hour. It's as if we were on the phone being like so what's new?

[00:03:20] But it's podcast that's that's kind of I feel like we've started so hello welcome Sarah Lane

[00:03:26] Hello, so sometimes this is how it happens with this show. I love it

[00:03:30] It's like we just like do pre-show and it merges right into the show

[00:03:34] This that tells me something about kind of like the beauty of podcasting as a platform because

[00:03:41] Like there there are shows like like, you know one of your other shows that you co-host daily tech news show very rigid very structured

[00:03:48] very

[00:03:49] Kind of specific to what is in the the technology news zeitgeist in this moment?

[00:03:55] Let's report on it talk about it that sort of stuff

[00:03:58] But there's this whole other category of podcast that is so engaging that is really at its core

[00:04:03] Just two or three or four people who get along really well have a shared interest and are just like talking as if they were sitting

[00:04:10] In a corner of a party about something

[00:04:12] Yeah, and it turns out that kind of that kind of conversation is really engaging for people who like you who follow you or who?

[00:04:20] Just like that topic or that randomness to begin with and that's that's great to have that in your arsenal

[00:04:25] Totally. Yeah, I I listened to a lot of podcasts that I mean I listen to this like weightlifting podcast

[00:04:33] I don't lift weights Jason at all

[00:04:36] Actually have some weights behind me

[00:04:38] But you know that I just you're listening to the podcast you're like I just feel like

[00:04:43] I'm not doing it because I'm like yeah, I'm one of you guys it's like for guys who talk about

[00:04:49] protein

[00:04:51] You know but then they also sort of veer off into you know their family lives and just kind of

[00:04:57] Who they are as people and I don't even know that I would have a whole lot in common with them

[00:05:02] But I like the podcast. I just think it's like oh this is a good hour of you know

[00:05:07] I'll take a walk and listen to the weightlifting pod

[00:05:11] I don't even know how I found it

[00:05:13] I couldn't tell you curious

[00:05:15] It's so interesting it's probably just some random like oh hey you should check out this episode because in it somebody talks

[00:05:20] Yeah, there was probably and then you do like whoa

[00:05:23] There are I also follow a

[00:05:26] quite a few sub stacks or you know newsletters in general and

[00:05:31] Podcaster being recommended in there all the time, you know

[00:05:34] So it's like somebody that I am you know reading

[00:05:37] Recommend somebody else and then their sub stack recommends a podcast and I end up listening to an episode and it doesn't always stick

[00:05:44] But there are times where I'm like I like it. I like this follow

[00:05:49] Subscribe so absolutely, you know yeah podcasting also just in general is such an interesting

[00:05:55] You know we have the we have the

[00:05:58] The experience of so much time in the industry to probably recognize this on a personal level

[00:06:03] But you dip in and out

[00:06:05] It's like it's like different moments in my life called for different podcasts that I was

[00:06:11] Fascinated with at the time that I don't listen to anymore. They're still going strong. It's still the same people. It's still awesome

[00:06:17] I'm sure but my interests have gone into a different direction

[00:06:21] That's kind of the beauty of it like there is infinite directions to go and yeah totally

[00:06:27] Yeah, and I think you know you mentioned Daily Tech news show which is

[00:06:31] My bread and butter and yeah, you know, it's a daily show Monday through Friday

[00:06:36] So it obviously takes up the majority of my time

[00:06:38] And I love tech, you know, I always have

[00:06:42] but I and I I listen to some tech podcasts

[00:06:48] Just because it's helpful to me, but there I mean there are days, you know Saturday morning

[00:06:55] For example, I'm like I'm doing something different. You know, I just I want to think about different things

[00:07:02] Because we're all you know not siloed into any one thing

[00:07:08] Give yourself a break if you're doing tech news five days a week. I mean and by the way, I understand what that feels like

[00:07:15] You know, I've worked with you

[00:07:17] Doing the daily the Daily News cycle

[00:07:21] Cnet and everything like that not having that on a daily basis

[00:07:25] I think is actually to a certain degree been kind of good for my mental health

[00:07:29] Like it's nice for me to like not feel the pressure of that constant

[00:07:33] Yeah, it's kind of a grind it can be a grind when there's like every single day

[00:07:37] Gotta get it down. You know, there are there are I mean every day is different because you know

[00:07:42] You wake up and the world is different than it was yesterday

[00:07:44] But there are days where I feel like it's groundhog day

[00:07:50] I just okay wake up do the same thing got to hit these things if it's 10 a.m.

[00:07:56] And I am not at this point in my day. I'm running behind where we go live

[00:08:01] I mean it it is helpful to me because I

[00:08:07] Am best with a rigid routine or else I just yeah, I don't know spin off into the wind

[00:08:13] But on that one, but it you know, it is a grind. It's a grind

[00:08:18] It's a job, you know, it's which which is not to say that it's a bad thing

[00:08:21] No, a grind is not inherently a bad thing

[00:08:24] It just it illuminates the work the hard work that you and Tom and the rest of the team put in on a regular

[00:08:31] Basis on a show like Daily Tech News show. It's just required of that format and

[00:08:36] Thankfully, y'all are professionals who have done this for so long that I think from the outside looking in it might look

[00:08:43] Might look easy, but I know I know firsthand how much work and how much time you do

[00:08:49] It takes to do that, you know, so I highly respect that you guys are still

[00:08:53] Still pulling strong on the daily routine. It's it's it's tough

[00:08:58] one of

[00:08:59] My co-host Rob Dunwood

[00:09:02] Who joined the team? He's regular with me on Thursdays and and he and I also tag team on Daily Tech headlines. Yeah, he's super super dope dude

[00:09:12] He had posted on threads the other day

[00:09:15] something along the lines of I was having a conversation with a friend and

[00:09:20] Explaining what it took to put together, you know, a five minute tech episode and the friend was just like, oh, I thought it was like

[00:09:29] You just talk for five minutes and maybe there's another five where you upload it and he's like, no, it's like four hours of work

[00:09:37] Minimum because you're you know, it's research then it's writing then it's you know the performance part of it

[00:09:44] Then it's editing

[00:09:47] Because you have to take out all the mistakes

[00:09:50] You know if you're Tom Merritt, you never make a mistake but the rest of us do

[00:09:54] And you know and then the rest of us mortals do yeah, right and and I was like, yeah, it's it's it's

[00:10:01] I mean for I don't know how long have I been doing Daily Tech news show since 2017. So we're going on six years

[00:10:10] and

[00:10:10] because of our schedule

[00:10:13] Having lunch with somebody during the week is not something I can do now. That's I mean that's true of many jobs

[00:10:19] It's not like oh wow, you know, all of a sudden I can't have lunch

[00:10:22] You know during the week

[00:10:24] Many of us just you know, we would be in an office anyway

[00:10:27] not having time to do that but

[00:10:29] Somebody will come into town for example, you know somebody that doesn't live in LA wants to see me

[00:10:35] But they're you know only here, you know between Wednesday and Thursday and can we like we grab lunch?

[00:10:41] That would be fun. I'm like can't do it. Can't do it

[00:10:44] Still can't do it because of the shows and people go. Oh, but I thought you went live at one

[00:10:50] It's like

[00:10:55] So I can't even a script

[00:10:57] You know at 1245 you're like, all right. Thank you

[00:11:00] Can you imagine you have thought was just sort of like all right? I'm in my seat. What do I do? Tell me what to say

[00:11:04] papers

[00:11:07] They're past jobs have been a little bit more like that

[00:11:11] Yeah for me, but but now now it's I think also in our

[00:11:19] I

[00:11:19] Don't want to say scrappy because I think podcasts have become

[00:11:23] pretty professional but

[00:11:25] Being able to do more with less is awesome and we're also working harder as a result

[00:11:32] Mm-hmm. You know, I mean nobody nobody's gonna do my hair

[00:11:36] ever

[00:11:37] And that's why I look like this

[00:11:40] You look great

[00:11:43] Yeah, I so one thing that's been really hard or

[00:11:48] Maybe more the better word is more of a challenge, you know that that I'm really stretching into since

[00:11:53] Since not being a twin anymore is the the daily recognition

[00:11:59] That it all falls on my lap that there is no more team

[00:12:05] Necessarily like what you were talking about as far as like the the amount of time that it takes to do all components

[00:12:11] There I can fully admit that there was a time for quite a while at twit where

[00:12:16] Yes, I had to produce content and yes

[00:12:19] I had to host but the second that show was done recording

[00:12:22] I was kind of done like there's a team there to then take those audio files or video files put them on

[00:12:28] A timeline do whatever they needed to do publish it check it check the feeds all that kind of stuff

[00:12:33] And like for a day like today Tuesdays at the time of this recording

[00:12:38] I do Android faithful in the evening for the DTNS network as well by the way

[00:12:42] Great show and yeah great show. Yes, enjoy doing that

[00:12:46] But but I mean that show that's an evening show

[00:12:49] You know it used to be when that was all about Android at twit at seven o'clock

[00:12:53] We finished the show my evening was done

[00:12:55] But now like I'm usually up until 10 or 11 in the evening because you know

[00:13:00] It's like an eight to ten hour process to go from beginning of the rundown curation to I can go to sleep now

[00:13:07] And yeah, it's a lot of work. Totally totally. I really I

[00:13:14] You know, it's been a while since I've I've had various projects that have come and gone

[00:13:20] You know people people want me to produce their podcasts

[00:13:23] Yeah here and there, you know where I'm you know, I'm just totally behind the scenes, you know

[00:13:28] press record

[00:13:29] fix an audio later adding music, you know all the things running websites and

[00:13:35] there was actually a

[00:13:38] Show that I had been producing called unfinished biz at four

[00:13:43] I think that started in 2017 as well. Yeah, it did and and just this year the team

[00:13:49] Their hearts just weren't in it anymore, you know, they they just kind of it was an interview show

[00:13:56] and there were a lot of really cool guests and

[00:14:00] You know, I met a lot of a lot of really interesting people not a tech show

[00:14:05] As a result a great project and you know, it just finally they decided to you know, hang up the hat

[00:14:12] Which is yeah, I mean always unfortunate financially for a producer

[00:14:18] But I was like, you know, I think it's the right decision, you know

[00:14:22] We all just sort of felt like we were just sort of oh there it is. Yeah

[00:14:26] Yeah, we we made 59 episodes

[00:14:29] They were they were great. They were they were they were a fun team

[00:14:34] But these sorts of projects come and go but to your point Jason about something being a long process this project

[00:14:42] specifically was

[00:14:44] It was

[00:14:45] Heavy on editing

[00:14:48] Because it was a guest two hosts sometimes two guests. I don't know if we ever had three guests at once

[00:14:54] I think we probably did once

[00:14:56] But you know, so you've got you just got a lot of you got a lot of cleaning up to do and it was it was a heavily produced

[00:15:04] audio

[00:15:06] Show and that was really fun for me because it just I wasn't on the show

[00:15:11] You know, it wasn't about me. Nobody even knew it existed

[00:15:13] But behind the scenes you had to be really really meticulous about making things. Sorry

[00:15:19] My dog wants to wants to be

[00:15:21] Dogs are welcome. Thank you. Thank you

[00:15:24] So you were doing the editing on this on this podcast

[00:15:27] Yeah on a weekly basis was this a an every week

[00:15:30] It used to be a bi-weekly show then it got pushed to every three weeks

[00:15:36] then

[00:15:37] After COVID hit it was like whenever

[00:15:42] And in the world of podcast I would say at least in my experience once a podcast hits that point where it's like

[00:15:49] You know, maybe we'll just do it when when it feels right

[00:15:53] Typically that's kind of like the

[00:15:55] Signals the beginning of the end or at least yeah

[00:15:58] Well and I always tell people to because I will people will pitch

[00:16:04] Well, they're not necessarily pitching their podcast to me

[00:16:07] But saying like here's what I want to do, you know, maybe we can work together

[00:16:11] You know friends of friends will put me in touch with somebody and the first thing

[00:16:15] I always tell them is how often do you want to do this?

[00:16:18] Because if it's just kind of whenever

[00:16:20] Then you're not going to gain

[00:16:24] Yeah, if it's if it's a passion project and that's all you care about then sure make it a whenever thing

[00:16:30] But if it's about building a community

[00:16:34] Finding an audience keeping that audience and having you know the cadence to do that

[00:16:41] Then you have to do something regularly even if it's once a month

[00:16:46] It has to be once a month, you know, if it goes for a month. Yeah, you know like

[00:16:53] You know the habit right exactly exactly

[00:16:56] It's it's that that that counts for so so so so much because otherwise

[00:17:02] Like you were saying you just drift off into other podcasts that are you know

[00:17:08] Yeah, hitting that nerve that you're looking for

[00:17:11] My weightlifting podcast for example like if they go away, I don't know I'll find another one or maybe I won't it doesn't really affect my life

[00:17:20] Yeah

[00:17:21] Yeah, have there been any podcasts that you've discovered along the way that had a back catalog that you were like oh my god

[00:17:28] This is so good. I have to start combing through the back catalog

[00:17:32] That's a special that's a special discovery by the way

[00:17:35] I've had only a few of those only a few. Yeah, I mean I

[00:17:40] I wouldn't say anything that's sort of timely news

[00:17:43] Not really no for example the daily I listen to the daily every day

[00:17:49] Even the Sunday episode and I love that show because it's a great show

[00:17:56] But I'm not gonna go back a week because the news has already left the building

[00:18:02] Yeah, I also listen to wait wait don't tell me one of my favorite shows weekend show if anyone likes a good game show

[00:18:09] But also is about like just regular old trivia and events and current events. It's great. That's great show

[00:18:15] Great show. I'm not gonna listen to if I miss a couple weeks

[00:18:19] I'm not going back because again the news has you know left the building but

[00:18:25] There are some shows like the

[00:18:29] The Moth podcast one of my favorite podcasts which is for anybody not familiar it's it's it's

[00:18:37] Well, it's not stand-up comedy, but it is it's a live show where somebody gets on stage and

[00:18:43] tells a story and

[00:18:46] depending on the

[00:18:47] Episode and the venue and everything sometimes they have five minutes. Sometimes they have ten

[00:18:53] You know, sometimes it's it's a little bit longer

[00:18:56] But it is very

[00:18:59] Just I don't know. I mean tug at your heartstrings type stuff not every

[00:19:07] Monologue, I guess you would call them not every monologue is like tear jerky, but many of them are

[00:19:13] Poignant stuff and I mean I can listen to the Moth back catalog

[00:19:18] Forever and it's been going on for a long time. Like I drove my mom

[00:19:23] Back up north she was visiting LA in March of this year and

[00:19:30] Very sadly broke her leg while she was visiting me 24 hours into the visit. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's staying broke her leg and

[00:19:39] Couldn't get on a plane to go home. She lives up in in your neck of the woods Jason and Santa Rosa, California

[00:19:45] And so I I drove her home

[00:19:50] She had to get home eventually and we listened to the Moth

[00:19:55] nine hours on the

[00:19:57] And it was just like oh then it's a great show

[00:20:00] No, it's a great show because it was like kind of took us out of not a great place that we were in at that point

[00:20:07] Just just funny stories, you know, sometimes sort of you know, you get it

[00:20:12] You know get some tears here and there, you know where one episode they're usually like 45 minutes

[00:20:17] For episode maybe a little bit shorter, you know every time it would end I'd be like want to listen to another one. She's like, yes

[00:20:26] Yeah, so yeah podcast experience you found that's it definitely one that it's very timeless because the stories don't they don't

[00:20:34] They're you know personal people's stories from from right all walks of life

[00:20:39] Yeah, that's it

[00:20:40] That's like a question that I like to ask people sometimes is like what what is the story?

[00:20:44] That you tell at parties that makes people go whoa no way that happened, you know to you or whatever and that

[00:20:52] That makes a great podcast right because there is no time limit

[00:20:55] that's always going to be a fantastic story and

[00:20:58] You know something that someone's gonna want to hear. Yeah, I want to hear someone tell you know

[00:21:03] I even I I was actually talking about this to Heather my co-host on have such a good day recently that

[00:21:10] You know, I know I'm lucky to have you know really awesome friends

[00:21:16] again from all walks of life and you know, I've I've I've met so many people over the years and and

[00:21:22] So many of them have that story and I know it because I know them

[00:21:27] But it's like do they want to write a novel about it? No, that's probably not gonna happen, you know or or

[00:21:38] I

[00:21:38] Just just like do they want to put that out into the world? It's not that they don't they just don't even consider it

[00:21:45] It's just life, but I'm like that would be a good podcast

[00:21:49] Well, that's what I'm talking about like like to write it up

[00:21:52] Man, there's a lot of heavy lifting to do that to take that story and put it into written word

[00:21:58] But a podcast you're just telling the story the same way you would am I giving away too much right now

[00:22:02] This has been like on my back catalog list of like oh, I should do a podcast and it'll be like what is the story that you tell at parties?

[00:22:09] And I'm giving it away. That's alright. Someone else can do something great with it, but yeah, it's a lower

[00:22:16] You know what I don't think it's the yeah, it's not it's not the most unique idea

[00:22:21] It's but but in the in the world of podcasting like we're always looking for kind of that avenue to

[00:22:28] Explore like because it is all about you know, even when we're even we're talking about technology news

[00:22:34] We are also telling a story. It's you know, I think at its core this audio programming and this world that you and I have

[00:22:42] Both spent nearly two decades in at this point

[00:22:44] Is really about storytelling and how good you can tell the story of the thing that you happen to be talking about?

[00:22:49] Indeed indeed. Yeah

[00:22:51] Yeah

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[00:23:20] Okay shifting gears just a little bit I

[00:23:23] Was you know, I do some preparation for this show to kind of get a sense

[00:23:28] Ultimately at the end of the day the reason I like doing this shows because I get to talk to people who I've worked with people

[00:23:33] I'm friends with and everything and get to know them even more than I knew them before

[00:23:36] And so part of my preparation is kind of you know digging through things and like would take a look at LinkedIn and whatever

[00:23:42] I'm like, what do I not know about this person? Maybe you and I have talked about this before and I don't recall

[00:23:47] But I realized today that you and I share the same alma mater San Francisco State University the program

[00:23:56] I

[00:23:56] Becker program maybe I did know that I don't see that's what I'm talking about to like I'm sure it came up

[00:24:02] Maybe it didn't but that's the for anyone who doesn't know that's the broadcast and electronic communication arts program

[00:24:08] Becca

[00:24:09] Francisco state. I think Becca's called something different now the last time I checked change it

[00:24:14] Well, because it was so yes broadcast and electronic communication arts is what Jason and I both got degrees in

[00:24:23] But it used to be BCA because it wasn't electronic yet

[00:24:26] It was just broadcasting and communication and maybe it still is Becca. I don't I don't know back on the the

[00:24:33] SFS web. I think I look I I may have looked I'm like part of their alumni

[00:24:39] You know, I get newsletters and that stuff and I think I

[00:24:44] had seen some

[00:24:46] Recent like here's what's new in the department and I was like, oh, it's pretty fancy compared to what we had

[00:24:52] Back in the day. I know

[00:24:55] Facilities are probably we must have talked about this. I didn't know that I didn't know that yeah, so that's that's interesting because

[00:25:02] Whenever people say, oh, what you know, where'd you go to college? I said San Francisco State and they go, okay, you know, whatever

[00:25:08] It doesn't really mean anything. It's a big school

[00:25:13] Really big school and of course in California. There are a lot of state schools in you know

[00:25:19] the

[00:25:21] CSU or UC I don't know. I don't have to go into a whole college

[00:25:25] explanation to everybody but

[00:25:27] But that department was very specifically about going into TV maybe radio

[00:25:36] Cinema was sort of a different crowd, but but it was also music

[00:25:41] Attracted me to it was was the music production program because I know I believed that after

[00:25:47] University I was gonna end up in a recording studio. That was kind of my my goal

[00:25:52] Quite happened that way, but I mean you still do that right yellow gold well

[00:25:57] Well, no, I still I still work on music. Yeah, I produce music for myself

[00:26:01] I think my my vision of what my professional career was going to be was being an engineer or a producer

[00:26:08] Something like that in music studio and well, you know

[00:26:10] Well, that's really hard to do and make money, you know immediately it takes a lot of time

[00:26:15] Time when I started

[00:26:20] When I started college I was a math major

[00:26:26] Yeah, like I wasn't even in the College of creative arts at that point

[00:26:30] I was just you know doing under undergrad, you know for the first, you know the first year and

[00:26:35] Took a lot of I was actually just telling the story the other day. So if anyone's already heard the story

[00:26:40] I'm sorry, but I

[00:26:42] Was you know, I was I was really good at math in high school

[00:26:46] Yeah, and like I just like was easy for me and it was so hard for other people

[00:26:53] So I was like, okay. I should be a mathematician, you know, like go with what was your goal

[00:27:00] I'm gonna get a degree in math. I really know what that meant. What does that apply to? Yeah?

[00:27:05] I was like, you know when you're 17 18. Yeah, you know, it's it's a lot to ask

[00:27:11] You know somebody like oh, so this is gonna be your career and I was like, I guess

[00:27:16] I mean, I'm good at it, you know

[00:27:18] I have a gift and then when I got to college. I was like, oh, it's getting hard. I'm not that good at it anymore

[00:27:25] I'm I'm okay like I'm getting bees and seas type thing

[00:27:29] Okay, so so there's being good at it, but what about enjoying it? Did you enjoy it?

[00:27:35] Was I enjoyed it? I used to enjoy it because I was like, this is just easy

[00:27:41] I understand that, you know, the

[00:27:44] It's like solve this like I could do it. I was like, you know

[00:27:48] Like I I mean, I'm not trying to be like I'm I was the like best math kid, you know in the world

[00:27:54] But I just didn't have a problem with it. It was he had an aptitude for it. Yeah, and it was I thought it was fun

[00:28:01] You know numbers made sense. It's like it just makes sense, you know when it's wrong

[00:28:05] You know when that's right. It makes sense

[00:28:06] But when it stopped making sense to me, I was like, okay, let's think about this

[00:28:15] Because I don't know what my career path is and I'm also not that great at it

[00:28:21] I was I was great at it until I wasn't you know and

[00:28:26] and

[00:28:27] At that point I

[00:28:29] Had always loved I mean talk about music production. I'd always loved that

[00:28:35] I was always the tinkerer kid

[00:28:38] Always had you know like a cool stereo, you know where people were like, what do you even have this for and I'm like, oh, let me show you how we can like

[00:28:44] You know, let's pretend that we're you know

[00:28:48] BBC broadcasters. I've got a microphone here. Here we go. We're cool. You know that's that kind of stuff

[00:28:54] So that was always something that I thought was fun

[00:28:56] but I never really took it seriously and then at SF State I

[00:29:02] I

[00:29:03] Decided to move over to the creative arts department

[00:29:07] Where I met people that I work with to this day Roger Chang also an alumni of SF State. Oh, I had no idea

[00:29:14] Oh, yeah, he and I were in college producer of DTNS. We're yeah, we we were in some classes together in college

[00:29:21] and then I

[00:29:23] Went one way and he went the other way

[00:29:25] But then we both worked at tech TV and I was like, I know you and I knew a lot of people at tech TV

[00:29:29] That were again coming out of that department

[00:29:32] So so it all worked out in the end and sometimes when people say, oh what you know what what did you go to college for?

[00:29:40] I say broadcasting because that's like I think that's what it says on my you know

[00:29:46] My diploma and they go oh broadcasting. Okay. Well, that's what you do

[00:29:51] So that worked out

[00:29:55] It's more complex than that but yeah, it all did work out

[00:29:59] Yeah, yeah a media department at San Francisco State and yeah, I have good memories of that that whole experience

[00:30:06] That was a no, did you and I cross paths? I wouldn't I don't think so. I was I mean, I think you were at tech TV

[00:30:15] Prior to my even going to San Francisco State University

[00:30:18] I went well, thanks for calling me out for being an old lady Jason. No, no, no

[00:30:23] I'm just saying we I think we missed it at SF State. I started there at 2002 and I and I graduated 2004

[00:30:30] Yeah, so I started at city college was previous to you. Mm-hmm got it

[00:30:36] Well, uh, yeah, how fun how fun?

[00:30:40] I really do have fond very fond memories and I sometimes talk to people about

[00:30:46] their college experiences because you know

[00:30:49] People have gone all over

[00:30:53] Yeah, and I think that

[00:30:58] That four years of life even though it was a long time ago

[00:31:02] Made the biggest imprint on me

[00:31:05] By far, you know like I couldn't even really tell you what I did in high school

[00:31:10] Academic wise I knew who my friends were, you know what we did on Friday night's kind of thing

[00:31:14] But it's like what did we do in high school?

[00:31:17] You know like what were all those math tests that I was so good at like I don't even really remember that

[00:31:22] Maybe it's just because it's farther in the distance, but college was

[00:31:26] You know where I was like, okay, so I can just like

[00:31:31] Make something up and do it

[00:31:34] Yes, amazing. That was yeah

[00:31:37] I

[00:31:38] Connect with that on a deep level

[00:31:40] So I when I came out of high school went right into college in Boise Boise State with their communications

[00:31:47] Not knowing anything about anything that I wanted to do communications degree about two years into that

[00:31:53] I was failing out of classes like racquetball and stuff and it was like, okay

[00:31:57] This is obviously not the right time for me to do you do college?

[00:32:01] So, you know, I postponed it men in San Francisco

[00:32:04] And started up at City College and transferred over to San Francisco State

[00:32:08] But what what I what I hear and what you were just saying that really hits home for me is I have the same realization

[00:32:15] The second time I went which was you know

[00:32:17] It was a conversation

[00:32:18] I had with my wife where she was like, you know

[00:32:20] You can go to school and get the education you need to like work with music production, right?

[00:32:25] You know, you can do that in San Francisco State has this department because she's also an alumni

[00:32:29] And I had never I had never made that realization that wait a minute

[00:32:34] I could actually use school to train me to do the thing. I really want to do I saw it as like this

[00:32:42] Way to get into some, you know career that kind of like what you're talking about with math something that I'm good at

[00:32:48] But maybe I don't necessarily love it, but I'm good at it. So yeah career, right?

[00:32:52] It's like I can do fun stuff. Oh, okay, exactly. There's a passion part of this

[00:32:58] Anybody would have said like are you passionate about algebra?

[00:33:02] Like no, I mean, I just it's just like good to be like I just get an A

[00:33:09] Yeah, you know, like that was fine, but it wasn't yeah, like there was no passion there really

[00:33:16] Yeah, I know that this sort of stuff

[00:33:20] It's useful later in life, you know what people say, oh, what you know when's the last time you solved an equation

[00:33:26] It's like well, it it sticks with you

[00:33:30] There are there are ways that the brain works that I I understand

[00:33:34] You know, it it's it's still with me in some way, but but yeah

[00:33:40] I even remember I don't know was my mom or my dad

[00:33:43] it was one of them and you know starting college and and doing the math thing and like I think I like

[00:33:51] Subscribe to the economy messed or something, you know, because I was taking a bunch of like

[00:33:57] I was taking like statistics classes, which actually were fun classes

[00:34:03] Yeah, but but you know just you know a lot of probability stuff, you know and they were both kind of like

[00:34:10] So what is your goal? Like what do you want to be a math teacher? And I was like not really

[00:34:16] You know, it's like well, what about what are you gonna do? And I was sort of like, oh no

[00:34:21] Yeah, I don't know haven't thought about that

[00:34:24] And the more I thought about it the more I was like, I don't have a good answer

[00:34:28] And I don't know what I'm doing and now I don't want to do it, you know, and and I'm glad I'm glad that yeah

[00:34:35] even though I mean I could go back to school tomorrow and

[00:34:38] Totally jumpstart a new career. I mean, you know, as long as I'm living a breathe in kind of thing

[00:34:44] But I'm glad that at that age

[00:34:47] I was able to be like, okay

[00:34:48] You you need to you need to follow something that feels passionate to you

[00:34:54] And

[00:34:54] production

[00:34:56] Very much was I thought I was gonna be a music video editor and working at MTV. That's what I thought I was that sounds exciting

[00:35:03] Yeah, I mean at the time it was like what's better than this? We just make non-sensical videos

[00:35:12] Totally cut to the beat guard weird stuff. Yeah cut to the beat and

[00:35:17] And I you know, I didn't go in that direction either, but I also

[00:35:22] You know, I still do some editing today. So it's like it all worked out. It all work

[00:35:27] Yeah, for sure that that those skills that skill set

[00:35:30] It's like a knife being sharpened over and over, you know at this point

[00:35:33] You're you're super sharp knife in the world of production when you go back to

[00:35:38] Like when you were younger that you know talking about passion

[00:35:42] Do you look at your childhood and like I realize you had an aptitude for math

[00:35:47] But did you have a passion for technology was that there from a young age?

[00:35:52] It was although I didn't really realize it I

[00:35:58] Was you know, you get a lot of people who work in

[00:36:03] Tech now who say, you know, I

[00:36:07] Was shy in school, you know didn't have a lot of friends

[00:36:11] Spend a lot of time by myself. I didn't really have that experience like I don't think that

[00:36:17] You know being a nerd, you know or a geek or you know, a lot of those labels really applies to it applies to a lot of folks who

[00:36:24] Have that shared experience of I never felt like I belonged and now I do because it's cool now

[00:36:33] That just wasn't really in my experience. I

[00:36:38] I mean, I'm an only child so I did spend a lot of time alone but my dad gave me

[00:36:43] Well, he didn't give it to me, but it was like a tape recorder like a like a

[00:36:48] Sanyo or you know some some just like little tape recorder and I mean at a very early age

[00:36:53] He just said he pressed record and was like talk to it

[00:36:57] And I mean we have like

[00:37:00] I mean my mom's attic is full of these cassette tapes of me at like two years old being like

[00:37:06] Hi tape recorder

[00:37:10] Honestly love it. You're podcasting it too

[00:37:13] Totally I really was I really was and then when I got older. I just I loved that stuff, you know, I loved

[00:37:21] You know everything to do with you know like like the the first CD player I got

[00:37:27] I mean I was just it was the most fantastic thing ever

[00:37:32] And you know, I don't want to I don't want to we actually didn't have a lot of money growing up

[00:37:36] but

[00:37:37] I was like the first kid to get one and it wasn't because like oh, I got whatever I wanted

[00:37:42] It was because like it was so important to me

[00:37:44] You know, I remember one Christmas in I guess it was high school

[00:37:49] Maybe a little yeah, I guess it was high school. Um, and you know, my parents were like, what do you want for Christmas?

[00:37:54] And I'm like a camcorder and they're like, well, we're not we're not doing that

[00:37:59] You know, and I was like, yeah, that's all I want. I don't want socks. I don't want anything in my stocking

[00:38:03] I want a camcorder. I need a camcorder, you know, and eventually I got a hold of one and

[00:38:08] I was lucky enough in high school to be in a program that was

[00:38:14] Uh, I don't know if you had the like, I don't know if you would have had this in Idaho

[00:38:18] But it's regional occupational programming. R. O. P.

[00:38:21] Was like it was like there was video. Um, there was also, you know, like future farmers of America

[00:38:29] Also in that in that it was it was kind of like vocational training, but

[00:38:35] In certain high schools. There's a lot more of it now

[00:38:39] But uh video does not ring a bell from my from my school experience. Yeah

[00:38:44] One of those in my school was the video department. Um, which I was in and I mean we made music videos all day long

[00:38:53] We hosted the uh morning bulletin, you know for the school

[00:38:59] They wheel in a tv

[00:39:01] To every classroom and they're like, okay, we do this for 10 minutes. And then you know, we talk about us history

[00:39:08] Like all that stuff it was oh, I loved

[00:39:12] I loved being the person who made like the perfect mixtape

[00:39:15] You know and people would say oh, sir have sara do it. She knows

[00:39:19] Sarah can plug that in yeah that kind of stuff. So yes

[00:39:23] So you were known for your tech technological aptitude as well

[00:39:26] Definitely definitely. Yeah, it was and it was like to me it was like I always

[00:39:32] When I when I mentioned people who say that uh being a nerd wasn't cool

[00:39:37] It's because I really feel for that because I

[00:39:41] I just felt like it was always cool. I felt like it was helpful to others

[00:39:46] You know, yeah, it was a good party trick

[00:39:48] You know when I when I could you know show people had to do something fun on a computer

[00:39:54] Which you know, there wasn't much, you know back in the day

[00:39:58] You know, they were like, oh, yeah, but it was all new

[00:40:01] Sarah has a computer at her house. Yeah, right exactly. Yeah, like it was always it was like fun and

[00:40:08] You know a bunch of discovery and exciting

[00:40:11] So that yeah that again

[00:40:14] Even though it took me a while to decide

[00:40:18] Oh, I can use you know this passion to do something with my life

[00:40:23] um

[00:40:24] That that it started at a young age for sure

[00:40:27] um

[00:40:28] When you were talking about the um the audio cassettes that you have

[00:40:33] And you know having boxes. I actually have a similar box

[00:40:36] I have a box just filled with audio cassettes that I recorded, you know late late elementary junior high

[00:40:42] Along the same lines of what you're talking about and I never know what to do

[00:40:46] With those like what what is your plan with that? Is it just they they hang out in your attic until

[00:40:52] Yeah, I mean

[00:40:53] Or do they need does it need a plan? I mean, maybe it's just a piece of history and it can exist there and it goes

[00:41:00] But there's so much there, you know, it's it's it's crazy to me. Yeah

[00:41:05] The cassettes I this is actually something that can keep me up at night sometimes because I'm worried that they're going to degrade

[00:41:12] And they're just gonna be gone

[00:41:14] Some of the stuff is just garbage. I mean, it's not it's not anything the world needs to hear

[00:41:19] But you know, my dad who passed away in 2004, you know, he's on a lot of that stuff

[00:41:25] And you know his voice and just you don't that's gold

[00:41:29] I mean even even though eventually I got that camcorder and you know, I have some some home videos

[00:41:35] You know the really early stuff

[00:41:38] You know, I mean I'm a baby and my dad is like, okay, sarah. We're recording like that kind of stuff is

[00:41:44] That's so sweet. It's so special to me. Yeah, and I know it exists because I've heard it so many times not recently but

[00:41:51] In fact behind my setup right now is a closet that has a bunch of cassette tapes. They're in a box

[00:41:58] Well sealed and I'm just like do they even play?

[00:42:02] I don't know. I haven't even I haven't digitized them

[00:42:06] That would be my plan is just like get all this

[00:42:09] Ish

[00:42:10] Digitized, uh, I don't even know where I would go to do that but somebody's gonna do it especially in LA and then

[00:42:18] Have it have it somewhere. My mom even at some point

[00:42:23] She

[00:42:25] burned a bunch of stuff onto like a dvd that was old like super eight videos

[00:42:30] And you know, even that I'm like that that technology is like that seems so old also

[00:42:37] Like super great. What are you gonna play that on? Yeah, like I need I need it to be like in google cloud

[00:42:44] Yes, well and that and that's so I've struggled with this too

[00:42:48] I actually did go through the trouble of pulling out that box of of cassettes and digitizing them myself

[00:42:54] I had this like to this four track tape

[00:42:57] Deck so that allowed me to play both sides of the tape in one pass and then you know on my timeline

[00:43:02] Reverse that two pair and then I've done a tape in 45 minutes

[00:43:06] It was still intensely time consuming, you know because it wasn't just

[00:43:10] Record it then you also have to save out the file and whatever. Yeah

[00:43:13] And then I had a hard drive failure and I lost it all

[00:43:16] I still have the cassettes, but I don't have to do it all again

[00:43:21] I'd have to do it all again and at a certain point

[00:43:24] It was a really interesting exercise for me of letting go it was kind of like, you know what?

[00:43:29] Like even if I went through all the trouble of of archiving this stuff again

[00:43:34] Who is it for? Is it for me? Is it for my kids?

[00:43:38] Let me tell you at this point my kids have very little interest in any of those cassettes and I

[00:43:42] I've posed it to them a couple of times. Maybe they will when they're later

[00:43:45] But what it what it brings to mind for me, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this is

[00:43:49] You know

[00:43:50] Our heirlooms and what we passed down to other people used to be tangible

[00:43:55] And now it's becoming our digital heirlooms and like yeah, what happens to our google drive when it's filled with all this stuff

[00:44:03] And we pass away that that does that go somewhere or does that does that trail in there? It's just an interesting kind of

[00:44:11] conundrum I think from a from that perspective. Yeah, I um

[00:44:17] I agree and and it's funny. So yesterday

[00:44:22] Monday

[00:44:22] The September 9th was apple's latest announcement where they announced new iPhones. I've got an iPhone that works fine

[00:44:29] so I i'm not upgrading but um, you know a lot of that is like, you know, you know

[00:44:34] Best camera ever kind of thing and cameras

[00:44:38] Uh, which is why I was interested in your studio setup

[00:44:41] You know have always been another passion of mine in a different world

[00:44:45] I would be like the world's greatest photographer

[00:44:48] You know, I love photography took a lot of photography classes in school

[00:44:53] um, so you know, I I know I know my way around, you know a camera and um

[00:44:58] When I was a kid again

[00:45:01] Sarah the weirdo, you know, I always had a camera, you know

[00:45:04] And I took, you know a million photos of all my friends at school

[00:45:07] I not even some of them weren't even my friends

[00:45:10] I just liked to take like portraits of people

[00:45:13] And I've got photo albums full of that stuff

[00:45:17] Full of it and you know, it's sort of like do I scan this and send it to someone on facebook?

[00:45:24] Because that's the only way I know they exist anymore. That's probably a picture that they would like

[00:45:29] It doesn't do much for me

[00:45:31] But it's like yeah, who is it for really?

[00:45:34] And uh, but that stuff that stuff to me is, you know, those are the boxes that are still in my attic

[00:45:41] You know, or my mom's attic

[00:45:43] Or my or the over the closet in my house now

[00:45:46] The that's the stuff that means the world to me all the stuff that is on

[00:45:51] you know in my iCloud on my phone, which is like

[00:45:55] 7 000 photos because I rarely delete anything

[00:45:59] I I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's there. It's fine

[00:46:03] It's it doesn't mean the same to me

[00:46:06] And I think that that makes me sound like an old lady, but there's just there's something about the old

[00:46:13] The old way of

[00:46:16] Capturing life because it was so much harder to do

[00:46:19] Yeah, you know to go to a barbecue and take, you know, let's say I have like, you know

[00:46:23] Like I was lucky enough to have like a film role 36. So I'm like, I got 36

[00:46:28] Yeah, you know, it's like those are like you after like comprehensive

[00:46:32] Yeah, you like think about your 36, you know, and then you get it developed and you don't know what's gonna look like and then you get

[00:46:39] A third of them didn't turn out. Yeah, and you go through them and sometimes you're like, oh my god

[00:46:45] That's my favorite photo ever like that feeling

[00:46:48] I don't know that that's a feeling I I

[00:46:50] I feel like is yesteryear for me

[00:46:53] Yeah, it's it's kind of like back then because the process was so entailed

[00:46:59] Part of the process was the narrowing down to just the best and

[00:47:05] Now it's so easy to fill

[00:47:08] You know a terabyte of cloud storage because every for every picture we take we take 10 because space is abundant and

[00:47:17] It it just it loses that connection to that that forced

[00:47:21] That that that kind of forced process of how do I narrow this down to just the things that are important?

[00:47:26] I started um about a year and a half ago

[00:47:29] I bought for my wife as a as a gift a recurring subscription to something called chat books

[00:47:34] Which I know there's a million of these that exist, but it's essentially every month

[00:47:38] I go through my our photo roll and I pull out 30 of the best photos from the month

[00:47:43] And that gets printed out into a book and now we've got this whole volume of them

[00:47:47] And it kind of it forces us to to kind of take a moment and take that

[00:47:52] Infinite cloud storage of photos and turn it into something tangible so that at some point when those

[00:47:58] 100s 10s millions. I don't know how many digital photos i'm gonna have in the cloud

[00:48:03] You know when I move on but instead of that being a work for someone else

[00:48:09] Here's just a bunch of books that are like the really good things

[00:48:12] But it takes work and it takes time and that's why it makes it special

[00:48:15] That's why it makes it more special. You know, I got you I got you

[00:48:18] A friend of mine when I moved from San Francisco to LA

[00:48:23] Many moons ago. This is like not even the last I don't know. I've moved a lot, but um, this would have been 2016

[00:48:31] And you know really really good friend of mine and she was super bummed that I was moving even though, you know, it's short flight

[00:48:38] But she she printed out a bunch of photos that we had taken over the years into a little little book

[00:48:45] In fact, it's probably behind me somewhere

[00:48:47] I won't bore you with on your inset bookcase that's built into the wall. Right, right exactly, but um

[00:48:54] She made it for me and I was so touched

[00:48:58] And I was like this is just I mean and they weren't even like the coolest photos ever

[00:49:03] But it was like remember that time we you know the burgers or you know, we went to amsterdam

[00:49:07] You know, it was like one of those things and I I was just like I can't believe you did this

[00:49:13] That is so nice. And I mean it did cost her a lot of money

[00:49:17] You know again, like you said, they're a bunch of these, you know printing services

[00:49:21] online, but it it reminded me of how

[00:49:26] How thoughtful that kind of stuff can be

[00:49:29] Yeah, yeah and how it how nice it is to walk into a room

[00:49:32] You know now we have this um, you know another gift that I got her like the next year

[00:49:35] Because now we have this stack of books and nowhere to put it was this really nice, you know made out of wood

[00:49:39] kind of like

[00:49:40] of

[00:49:42] Bookcase essentially this mini bookcase that sits on a table that has the whole volumes

[00:49:46] And what I realized out of that is you walk into the room and you look over there and you see that little bookcase

[00:49:50] Like oh, I'm gonna pull out one of those and see what happened, you know in march of last year

[00:49:55] Oh, I remember that trip and I don't know it connects you to the photos and kind of puts it to work again. You know one of um,

[00:50:03] uh

[00:50:04] one of my

[00:50:05] This is this is really weird

[00:50:07] But one of my favorite things is so my parents went to the same high school

[00:50:11] and they like dated in high school and

[00:50:15] You know grew up together the whole thing and both of their yearbooks my mom still has

[00:50:21] And I go through their yearbooks

[00:50:23] And I look at like like like senior year like mom's yearbook dad's yearbook

[00:50:28] And they signed each other's yearbooks

[00:50:31] And other people signed their yearbooks, but different people signed them

[00:50:35] You know and I look at the the photos of them, you know in their drapes and you know crazy hair and everything that happened in 1963

[00:50:44] And I'm just like it is one of my most prized possessions ever like

[00:50:49] Like, you know where everyone's sort of like, you know if something if your house is going to burn down in a fire

[00:50:54] What are you taking? I'm like my parents yearbooks

[00:50:57] Boom. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, that's so cool that you have such a deep

[00:51:03] Connection to something that probably meant a lot to them too. Did they know each other?

[00:51:07] Really well in high school. Were they dating at that point? Did they even know that like their futures were in intertwined?

[00:51:14] They were dating in high school and then they weren't and then I got you they did not get back together until

[00:51:21] Well, they were 31 when they had me so I think you know, there was there was a good decade of like

[00:51:27] You know life went in two different directions and then came on back

[00:51:31] But yeah, but yeah, they have that document right? Yeah

[00:51:34] That kind of illustration of like, oh, yeah our lives were connected

[00:51:38] And then we had our lives separate and then came together and yeah, no, it's it's it's a total love story

[00:51:44] But yeah those yearbooks. That's great. You know, that's that's

[00:51:48] Me and them forever

[00:51:49] Yeah, thank you for sharing that that's wonderful. I really enjoy talking with you sarah. You're an awesome person

[00:51:54] Awesome. Thank you. I

[00:51:57] Love this. This was so fun. Um, I know thanks for letting me just like flat flat flat my mouth and not have to do a lot of

[00:52:04] research

[00:52:05] That's the beauty of it, right? It's like just come in and like talk be real. That's what I love about it

[00:52:11] Um, and I want to you know, obviously we talked a lot about daily tech news show

[00:52:15] So folks should go and check that out

[00:52:16] But I also want to mention, you know, apple vision show

[00:52:20] Which is of course this week very appropriate because apple had its biggest

[00:52:25] Uh product announcement of the year event yesterday at the time of this recording anyways and so

[00:52:31] Yeah, you're you're doing this show with another one of my favorite people eileen reveria and

[00:52:37] Yep, uh, I'm sure you talk. Did you release an episode? Oh, you did an episode yesterday

[00:52:41] We can make it purple which you talked about the event that was that was yesterday

[00:52:46] Eileen and amas and I um

[00:52:49] Do the show every week. It's really fun. It's my newest show

[00:52:53] We we're uh, what is it 31 episodes in? Yeah, so yes seems like a lot but uh that you know

[00:53:01] If you do podcast regularly, um the number creeps up quickly. So uh, it's it's pretty new

[00:53:06] Um earlier this year we decided to to launch it. So we're we're excited about that and

[00:53:13] Um, and yeah between daily tech news show apple vision show and I have such a good day

[00:53:18] I have my hands

[00:53:20] Pretty full these days. Yeah, but I you know like we talked about earlier in this episode

[00:53:26] I I always have ideas. So we'll see. Yeah, I know you do. Yeah, wonderful

[00:53:31] Well, thank you for uh for hopping onto my idea

[00:53:34] With tech splotter and talking to be all about you and and uh where you've come from and everything

[00:53:39] I've definitely learned more about you and I appreciate you. Thank you sarah. Thank you jason. This was really fun

[00:53:45] All right. Thank you again sarah lane

[00:53:47] Fantastic time. I really didn't want the conversation to end if I'm completely honest, but we had to do that

[00:53:53] She had busy things ahead of her with dts

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